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[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 40 points 3 months ago (4 children)

Who is this even for? Anticommunists who like communist aesthetics?

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 43 points 3 months ago (2 children)

their declaration is mostly about how much CPUSA sucks. they're trying to split a useless, reactionary party into two useless, reactionary parties.

[–] D61@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

Hey, the right wingers adopted something useful from the Left. peltier-laugh

Yeah good description of this recursive bullshit. I'm starting to become convinced this branch of the Maupin extended universe and certain podcasts are trying to create the illusion CPUSA has political relevance at all.

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago (6 children)

I am super curious why such a far-right deviation of "communism" like MAGA Communism exists. Like, what are the underlying material conditions that give rise to it? We understand Communism, we understand fascism, but PatSocs? Mystery to me.

If anyone has something to add, please, enlighten me.

[–] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 40 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I am super curious why such a far-right deviation of “communism” like MAGA Communism exists.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO

[–] Cowbee@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago

Ya know, that's on me, haha. Should've realized.

[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 34 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

1: 90% of it is an Op.

2: Some people out there don't like capitalism but also are socially reactionary so they buy in the narrative some conservatives in AES states have about homosexuality being "western decadence" or whatever.

3: Kinda related to two, but I think some of these guys are just Russophilies who get into weird brand of modern Russian Nationalism that still revers the USSR and just mimic those guys' politics. Wouldn't be surprised if some of these dorks have pictures of Stalin and Czar Nicholas on their wall.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago

Outside of being an op, the only explanation I have is that it's based on pure vibes. They believe Western propaganda about Stalin and think it's based. They like Putin because he's not woke. They're anti-Zionist because they're actually antisemitic.

They basically do the "criticizing communism while describing capitalism" bit but in reverse, where they praise communism based on anti-communist propaganda that's supposed to make it sound like fascism.

[–] jaywalker@hexbear.net 24 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Reminds me a lot of national socialism? They're just doing the thing they always do and stealing words/ideas and corrupting them to make shit more confusing.

[–] booty@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)

idk, it doesnt even seem that intentional to me. i feel like it's more like anarcho-capitalism, just a bunch of half thought through ideas jammed awkwardly together none of which would ever work, based entirely on vibes. patsocs are basically just what happens when an average chud realizes that capitalism is bad but doesn't want to read theory and retains all of their racist and nationalist brainworms

[–] jaywalker@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Rightwingers are regularly intentional without being coherent. Anarcho capitalism is actually a great example of them being intentional, but not necessarily coherent.

[–] axont@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They're an op by feds first and foremost. Beyond that they're a bunch of rich first world crackers attempting to cobble together leftist thought from their living rooms full of treats. Just imagine yourself to be the laziest, most pointless American white guy who wants for nothing. Now imagine you've read the tiniest bit of Lenin, or maybe you've just played as the Soviets in a video game. Rather than doing something cool like joining a local mutual aid group or working at a shelter, instead you simply adopt politics in the most white cracker way possible. You make a grift about how upper middle class white suburban Americans are actually the most threatened segment of the proletariat.

[–] HamManBad@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

To the extent that it isn't an op, they basically just want an American version of lukashenko-tired

[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

People who get mad at the idea of reading Settlers

[–] I_CAST_BEAM_OF_BATS_I_CAST_BOLT_OF_BATS@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Tl;dr - They're a mirror image of Twitter Maoists and comments like yours further my suspicion they were cooked up by the feds specifically for you, the CPUSA, DSA, etc to get mad at and validate your popcorn-munching obsession with the compatible left.

If you don't believe me, well, consider it something to think about every time you introduce this new thing you have to get mad about to people. Nobody even knows who these people are, and they're clout chasers.

The loonier "MAGA communists" espouse the same fantasies of taking on the US military by dropping trees on tanks in Alabama. They randomly come up with Helter Skelter esque scenarios. (e.g. Kendrick / Drake beef could spiral into US Civil War 2 Electric Boogaloo (they really said this, not as a joke)).

[–] I_CAST_BEAM_OF_BATS_I_CAST_BOLT_OF_BATS@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Why do you bring up their sole redeeming quality other than having read three articles by Gabriel Rockhill about Adorno and Marcuse etcetera for me to get mad at it.

In fact, I doubt they have read it, since a lot of these guys try to recoup Heidegger and Zizek while pretending none of their critics have done more than draw associations between them and reactionary thought & institutions - not true of course. It's not that difficult to tear apart stuff like Heidegger's word games about being, and saying that shit really displays how little they read of criticism of their favorite writers, suggesting they haven't gotten through much of the original texts, enough to quote mine probably.

Their rejection of structural racism and invention of reverse woke structural racism (analysis of structurally embedded racism in US finance capital is all throughout writing by Michael Hudson, as he talks about the legacy of redlining and the 2008 catastrophe of black household wealth, they also pretend to have read him!!) seems like direct fed counterplay to me, but I'm not going to bother with deep investigation into more infuencer debate tourney bullshit if I don't have to. None of this lends any legitimacy to Sakaiist Twitter leftist ideology.

[–] Diuretic_Materialism@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Are you like BMFs slightly more articulate cousin?

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (17 children)

jesse-wtf i'm really not interested in your personal esoteric rejection of both these nazbol grifters and whatever you seem to think third worldism is about.

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[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

It's a marketing ploy for live streamer Haz.

[–] nat_turner_overdrive@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Somehow the font and logo just scream "videogame bad guys"

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[–] Llituro@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago

But when a long train of abuse, corruption and usurpations of this procedure render the Party inept and unresponsive before history, disgracing it in procedural, operational reality to the status of a Communist Party in name only, it becomes both historically and practically necessary that the authority of the Communist Party be reconstituted on a fresh basis.

ewwww their riffing on the us declaration of independence. marx-joker moment

[–] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Haz is the only one of these losers I recognize, and I'm mad at myself for that much.

[–] jackmarxist@hexbear.net 19 points 3 months ago

There’s also the Jackson Hinkle guy who was glazing Trump last week.

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

does he actually formally call himself "Haz Al Din" lol

[–] Gosplan14_the_Third@hexbear.net 13 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Huh, I thought that was his real name, but apparently his name is Adam

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[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

You should be glad your brain is still fairly clean, try to keep it that way bud. This knowledge ain't worth it for once.

[–] joaomarrom@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

what is this, an ARG for a new Red Faction sequel?

[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

Red Faction were not just not Patsocs, not only internationalists, but inter-planetary. red-fist

[–] drinkinglakewater@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Did these grifter hacks finally break from the LaRouchites?

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 29 points 3 months ago (3 children)
[–] drinkinglakewater@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Cowards didn't even talk about the world land bridge in their declaration

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

Good, I'd tell them they're full of shit and if they thought otherwise they should fly up here and go hunting with me so I can prove them wrong.

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[–] I_CAST_BEAM_OF_BATS_I_CAST_BOLT_OF_BATS@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

No they act like they are a legitimate political tendency and potential ally

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[–] sawne128@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago

We are all going to have pie in our faces when they recruit the whole working class and leads a successful revolution.

Source: Some guy on Reddit

[–] I_CAST_BEAM_OF_BATS_I_CAST_BOLT_OF_BATS@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago (3 children)

Impossible, a new faction has formed in the US compatible left?

[–] DivineChaos100@hexbear.net 18 points 3 months ago (1 children)
[–] I_CAST_BEAM_OF_BATS_I_CAST_BOLT_OF_BATS@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Bros are telling me to read Heidegger, support the Teamsters, spend all my attention on far right influencers and take them seriously and post about them, calling for basic social welfare and less corruption in Washington, reposting Chris Hedges articles, buddy these people were democrats three years ago. I know the compatible left when I see it, despite their protestations.

[–] combat_brandonism@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (2 children)
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[–] save_vs_death@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago

why is their website so dogshit; the runt copmala website dems slapped together in case genocide brandon dropped out is better than this

[–] Snackuleata@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago

All Chapters aligned with the Party, including all affiliated social media accounts, are registered and verified exclusively on the official public blockchain ledger

lmao

[–] Red_sun_in_the_sky@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Its called Heaven's gate. Good luck to them.

[–] anonochronomus@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago

It's applesauce time.

[–] blobjim@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Their announecement youtube video was already recommended to me. The thumbnail video looked like it was literally just stock footage of stuff but with a red and white color scheme snd some hammer and sickles. I wonder if there was even a narration.

[–] StalinStan@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

I am eternally upset that have any response other than bullying to people who make a national socialist party.

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 9 points 3 months ago

Why isn't this in the dunk tank

[–] RedWizard@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (4 children)

I am far too green when it comes to existing communist organizations within the USA. Looking at the end of their declaration, I was trying to figure out if PCUSA was a typo, but actually, it's just another communist party. I recognize some of these names at the end of the declaration, but mainly from dunk threads here. Specifically, Eddie "Colonization Good Actually" Smith. Regularly would appear in my TikTok feed about a year ago. The whole "Midwestern Marxist" aesthetic always felt like a honeypot for deeply rural chuds.

~~I'm left not really capable of forming a thought about this, other than, I'll probably die old in a capitalist hellscape while the American Left squabbles and bickers with each other over aesthetics and bureaucratic disagreements.~~

Having literally just came to the understanding of what the "compatible left" is, I'll scratch my previously doomerist statement. I should probably read Settlers.

[–] QueerCommie@hexbear.net 12 points 3 months ago

PCUSA is a shitty small patsoc party who thinks they’re the real vanguard/bearers of CPUSA’s legacy (split ten years ago) who don’t understand dialectics and mostly have a lot of zoom meetings and sex parties.

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