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[-] ObamnaSoda@hexbear.net 84 points 1 year ago

Lobbying
us-foreign-policy
Corruption

[-] copandballtorture@hexbear.net 66 points 1 year ago

It's only corruption if it comes from the Corruptia region of a developing country, otherwise it's just Sparkling Graft

[-] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 53 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Oh a lot of northern european countries genuinely do not believe there's corruption in their political systems. And it's because, for the most part, they can't actually see its effects. Yeah, Deutsche Bank being bailed out after absconding with I dunno how many times the yearly GDP of Germany in cash has huge implications for the country as a whole. But the local mayor pocketing the money that was meant for child care and hospital equipment is something that is much closer to everyday life.

[-] TraschcanOfIdeology@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

In a lot of cases the corruption is seen through the lens of us-foreign-policy, too. There is no malice, only ineptitude and inefficiency, not like in the global south, where people will steal because their cranial curvature is parabolic.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 23 points 1 year ago

I am once again plugging citations-needed because like every other episode is about this exact phenomenon

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

In my northern European country the very understanding of the word "corruption" has unspoken racist undertones baked into it. Corruption is something they have south of the Alps and east of the Oder, certainly not something we have here. Consequently the same behaviour that would be understood as corruption when happening in the global south will be perceived as "an unpleasant affair", "a controversy" or similar euphemisms.

The friendly relationship between politicians and "journalists" also helps make sure that the big scary C word is never used domestically. Doing so would be impolite and rock the boat too much and give you a reputation as not being serious.

[-] OryonousRowo@hexbear.net 1 points 1 year ago

Also, it's always an exception.

[-] mayo_cider@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

A lot of the usual corruption also has legal avenues now, you don't need bribes when there's campaign donations

[-] dumpster_dove@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

And if you play your cards right, when you retire from politics you can expect a highly paid non-job on some board of directors at a company that was helped by your politics.

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

you should see some of the faces people make when i refer to those parasitic consultants that plague the public sector as corruption. A lot of times people think I'm being hyperbolic, but I genuinely think those types of partnership is as damaging as a public official just pocketing the money that was supposed to go to a project. Coincidentally, those consultants are also the main reason why all public projects cost infinitely more up here than anywhere else.

[-] CarmineCatboy@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

For what it's worth you gotta respect the grift. As far as forms of social control go, at least the gravy train of 'consultants' is a bit more stable than 'so, uh, the mayor hired his daughter and she spent this year's school lunch money hiring a big rock band for a party panem et circenses style so you can distract yourself about that one time the mayor fired everyone in the local hospital and kicked your dying grandma to the streets'.

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 7 points 1 year ago

If my dying grandma is being kicked to the street either way I will take one concert please.

[-] sawne128@hexbear.net 2 points 1 year ago

Seems like such a no-brainer, especially when the officials in charge are always revealed to be friends with the consulting firms. But I would say most public procurement is atleast somewhat corrupt. People should read about the New Karolinska Hospital in Sweden. It's the most expensive hospital ever built, and I think you can guess why.

[-] SoyViking@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Some of it is also because you don't find corruption if you're not looking for it.

Real countries have rules about money in politics. My home country is Denmark is less developed in that sense. There is a law stating that parties have to disclose the names of anybody who donates more than the equivalent of USD 2900. Anything below that can be donated completely anonymously and the law only manages the disclosure of the name, not the amount given.

But what if you want to donate more than that and still keep it quiet? Well, then you can either get a bunch of your friends to donate just below the threshold or you can form what is known as a "money club", an organisation that exists for the sole purpose of obscuring the flow of money in politics. So instead of donating a ton of money to your favourite party, you give it to "The Liberal Business Club" who then passes it on to the corrupt recipient's. All the public will ever know is that said club made a donation. It's completely legal and doesn't count as corruption.

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 16 points 1 year ago

Or you can do what the right wing party did last time here in Arg where they stole identities of random people to launder money donating to their party in their name.

Yet for some reason the media conglomerate didn't make much fuzz about it :thonkthonk

[-] Stoatmilk@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

If libs didn't exist it would be necessary to invent them

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 19 points 1 year ago

You see, Yakub just wanted to amuse his friends

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

What a take. A beauty to behold

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

"Um, honesty, I think you might be deranged. Is the strawman Redditor in the room with us right now? Who hurt you? Can you kindly point out where exactly someone impersonated a strawman Redditor? I'll wait." very-intelligent

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 20 points 1 year ago

Is there a sign up sheet or has it just worked out that way?

[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 11 points 1 year ago

If there's a draft, I didn't get the call yet

[-] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago

Someone needs to get the Official Hexbear Amanuensis on the job

[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 8 points 1 year ago

It's on the chore wheel in the big house we all squat in

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 18 points 1 year ago
[-] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

Dutch alert, someone lock up the boot polish

[-] MultigrainCerealista@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

How can it be corruption when our elected representatives were bribed to make it legal?

[-] autismdragon@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

I asked my Dutch friend who's like, a radlib but leans more on the lib end of radlib, about this and she says its completely ridiculous to say there's no corruption in the Netherlands.

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