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FML I just caught it on the screenshot of the "iOS Development" course offered by Lambda
BLOCKCHAIN! Those bozos had to squeeze 4yrs of CS education into 6-12 months but they found ample room to teach about BLOCKCHAIN! There's literally nothing in that curricullum about datrabases, but they somehow fit BLOCKCHAIN.
Also "Hash Tables and Blockchain" is like having a physics module called "Gravity and Juiceros"
Gravity and Juiceros
Gravity is what allows a cinder block to replace tour Jucero.
Thanks for reminding me about Jucero.
The reason Lambda School's hiring rates dropped should be obvious to anyone who spends time around bootcamps, or education in general. Lambda School tried to scale up. Staff warned about a downward trajectory back in 2018, in an internal memo that said, “Placement to date has been manual and one-off, which isn’t possible to scale.” That was back when they were training a few hundred students a year, and at their peak, they trained 2,700 students.
This is hubris beyond my comprehension.
I completed my BSc. (3y programme) and MSc. (2y programme) in Computer Science at University of Warsaw. It's a really good programme, by far the best CS programme in all of Poland, university in the capital (largest city as well). Publicly funded, but very successful in research, so our staff has many ERC grants which pay out a lot, so it's probably one of the better funded ones as well. Population of Poland is about that of California.
Yearly, less than 200 students are enrolled for the BSc at UW. On MSc. this is about 100. So you give lectures to around 150 students in the biggest courses. A single class or lab is led by a TA for 15-20 students. In person.
I'm not saying any of this to be elitist or some shit, but just comprehend the scale we're talking about here. This is the cohort size that is manageable by institutions that know how to do this, have experience, staff, and funding. The bottleneck in this system is staff - you simply cannot have more students without hiring more than the couple dozen professors already there.
When you say "they scaled up" I though we're talking they were enrolling dozens and scaled to a couple hundred. 2700 students per year is the scale of the absolute largest universities in Europe, backed by both public funds and institutional investors. How the fuck do you expect to give anyone any education at that scale with online classes and no TAs? That's insanity. Like, "I'm going to build a spaceship in my garage with a box of nails and $100" level of insanity. What do those people think education even looks like?
One of the things that happened during the Great Low Interest Rates Decades is that it seems like anyone who fit a certain profile (millennial white guy with american citizenship, a computer, and at least a modicum of what passes for charm among the nerd elite) could convince both VCs and the US government that there was tons of money in disrupting the delivery of some legacy sector of society. Sometimes they were correct (eg. buying stuff without going to a retail establishment), sometimes it seems like they should have been correct and yet somehow have failed to make money anyway (Uber), mostly they were comical (Juicero). But the ones that are the most excruciating are all the places where you really, really can't frictionlessly deliver at scale, because large-scale human intervention is necessary: education, health care, customer service.
The promise of the American tech boom is massive online delivery without people. Employers hate their employees, and government is always willing to be told that doing without employees is industrial progress.
What do those people think education even looks like?
The same think all coding bootcamps think education looks like: try to ~~take over the world!~~ poorly teach fullstack web development with none of the fundamentals!
So it seems like you're my former neighbour, then. Depending on how you count, UW might look like it's both overstaffed and underfunded. This is because i'm mildly certain that most of these TAs aren't hired as TAs, because nobody really pays them. All PhD students, definitely all at Kampus Ochota, have a requirement to take a certain number of teaching internship hours, which is about 40-60 per year depending on field. (this is, btw, anomaly on national scale and from next year or so new admissions will be paid for these TA hours).
At my faculty (Chemistry; about 220 admitted for BSc, about 80 for MSc annually) that's enough to man almost all the more entry-level labs (that require more supervision), along with a proper salaried PhD or sometimes two. (We mostly make sure that students don't do any stupid/dangerous shit, most labs are 12-15 students, first year labs are 30-40 and are limited by size of labs. We're talking about 1 staff, incl TAs, per 4 to 6 students) I'm not sure how MIM makes use of that human resource, but wouldn't surprise me if some classes are just led by some PhD students. This is definitely not a resource that Lambda has, so actual costs if anything should be even higher
ERC grants, haven't seen many of them. European Regional Development Fund, a few grants sourced from Norway and Switzerland, NCBiR, NCN, FNP, some funding straight from ministry, there's more of this. MIM is a notch or two higher than most of faculties so i don't doubt it, but these grants are supposed to go for research, not for teaching. There are other sources of funding for that, and especially after new minister of science was installed, that money became available (it's a special hell to navigate all of this)
That said, our faculty hasn't been saved from bullshit hype. There's nanostructure engineering course now, launched some three years ago or so, which is not engineering degree and mostly deals with bulk nanoparticles and such, and this is something that simply does not have much use (some sensors, limited use in catalysis but it has problems with reproducibility and dies quickly). Nano- hype happened mostly in early 00s and started dying around 2015 or so, so it's not even right on timing. This deters few however and you can find loads of bs papers with shit like catalyst based on chitin nanoparticles made from recycled sustainably sourced beetles or whatever with non-reproductible results published in MDPI or Frontiers. There is, or was, "blockchain and AI lab", tucked somewhere at CeNT (i take that yall's have thrown them away from MIM and they inhabited first hospitable room since)
his is because i’m mildly certain that most of these TAs aren’t hired as TAs, because nobody really pays them. All PhD students, definitely all at Kampus Ochota, have a requirement to take a certain number of teaching internship hours, which is about 40-60 per year depending on field.
Depends on the course, but most TAs are PhD students, however some of the labs are also done by M.Sc. students hired on a contract (I was one!). PhD students don't get paid explicitly for teaching hours, it's part of their duties, but
but these grants are supposed to go for research, not for teaching
one of the main uses of grants is to hire PhD students! So having funds from research directly impacts the quantity and, perhaps more importantly, quality of PhDs, since ERC grants are very prestigious.
The tragic state of PhD students being on starvation salaries is a fact, but it's a wide systemic problem with the entire country's education. That being said, even with this "cheap labour source" you still can't run courses for thousands of people!
Very based:
With all the damning evidence, the story was ready. Most reporters would now email their subjects for comment, but Woo elevated the story to performance art. He asked Austen for a recorded interview, without revealing its nature. Austen, lulled into a false sense of security by tech press puff pieces, agreed. What followed was the most riveting hour of tech journalism I've ever heard.
The premiere venture capitalists of our time, drawing from near infinity riches during ZIRP, and the most innovative thing they have is student loan debt racket but faster.
Did YC seriously think because a growth hacker was in charge, you could value a private school like its an overinflated tech company? PG going mask off to endorse slavery (sorry, "trying out a worker") for a hack like Austen is so many levels of brainworm capitalism, how has Silicon Valley not sunk into the ocean.
Did YC seriously think because a growth hacker was in charge, you could value a private school like its an overinflated tech company?
Yes. The answer is always "yes".
It gets even worse when you add YC's claim that it doesn't "fund ideas" but rather "fund people." They didn't find Austen (a shit person) because he had a good idea (he didn't). They funded Austen (a shit person) because they liked him (a shit person).
I started reading the part with students wondering how to afford a lawyer and I was like, wait, isn't that specifically what a class-action is supposed to allieviate?
Because students signed away their rights to a class action lawsuit as part of their enrollment agreement...
HOW THE FUCK IS THIS LEGAL. HOW IS THE USA A REAL PLACE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. WHAT THE FUCK.
If it makes you feel better, it costs an average of $18,865 for an uninsured American to give birth to a healthy baby, and a tenth of the country is uninsured.
I mean, it doesn't make me feel better, because I live here. But you don't, so YMMV. Or I suppose YKMV, in metric, because the US still uses imperial measurements for everything, because we're too good for real numbers. USA! USA!
Why would other humans being miserable make me happy, I'm not Peter Thiel.
Sorry, I’m American, I’ve forgotten how normal human empathy works. I’ve heard that in some places society isn’t entirely driven by spite but I think that’s a myth.
HOW THE FUCK IS THIS LEGAL. HOW IS THE USA A REAL PLACE WHERE PEOPLE LIVE. WHAT THE FUCK.
here's a fun one for you: because US empire is as US empire does, it does not stop at living there. there are many modes of interaction that will subject you to the same type of shit
in ...almost every one of the contracts I've had with US entities, there were at minimum included binding arbitration clauses, and often more
such a fucking diseased hellhole
Im reading the article and im baffled. In a way which comes back to your 'HOW IS THE USA A REAL PLACE' thing.
I'm at the 'try out an engineer for four weeks' part, and am I missing something? Isn't this normal with jobs? That there is a month of tryout period? Are they just bragging about it being unpaid? How is that impressive? (It isn't like it is free for the hiring company anyway even if they don't have to pay the first month, programming famously being a non-stacking process where training and managing people into a new team is quite costly, vs hiring more people to lay bricks, a process where you can just hire more people if you want it to go faster).
Isn’t this normal with jobs? That there is a month of tryout period?
I have never found this to be normal with jobs, no. But in the US, most employment is at-will, so you can be fired without cause at any time.
(I've encountered probation windows where benefits don't kick in for 3-6 months, and that's hideous in a country without single payer health care, but never a tryout period.)
Yeah I can't find the proper dutch word for it in my mind (and even then I would need to find a translation) but the concept of 'you can be let go/quit in the first month without any notice' seems to me to be a normal thing (which at-will fits into, but also probation periods etc), like I doubt it is a thing at higher end jobs, and it is more of a hire a McDonalds tillworker (which is not to say this is unskilled work btw, there certainly is a difference in quality of somebody doing that work for a month vs years).
So for me the only real benefit of this offer seemed to me the price. Which is just such a weird thing to compete on with tech workers. (And I would think that the businesses interested in this offer would also be of lesser quality). To me the whole action just signals 'our students are mostly of low quality, here is a sieve to filter out the good ones'. Which is why I was baffled.
Awful people facing justice
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Congrats to 'become a programmer motherfucker' outliving (and giving better 'coding' education) than the lamba school.
And all that without series A,B, or C!
When he isn't promoting the company and attacking critics, he shares his love of capitalism, free markets, and his favorite billionaire.
This is before the "favourite billionaire" is mentioned by name, and
What a wretched sack of shit. Paul Graham as well. Con artists grifting and scamming society.