i dont think tthat striving for 'utopia' and idealism puts people off just because it often results in ignoring practicality for the sake of perfection, but because it turns a conversation that should be about treatments and solutions into proselytism

most people flat out are not interested in learning the theory of whatever ideology youre trying to sell them, and therefore will not be interested in whatever treatments and solutions youre proposing for individual problems as part of that ideology

focus on educating folks about the actual problems and pointing them in the way of the individual solutions to those problems

[–] Spzi@lemmy.click 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Utopia (from Ουτοπία) is an impossible Vision of the future, while Evtopia (from Ευτοπία) is the best possible Vision.

Interesting. I never heard of Evtopia, and I also did not understand Utopia as necessarily impossible. Could be possible or impossible, depends on context.

I also don't think being unreachable is necessarily a bad thing. Consider an 'Ideal'. Although some ideals may never be fully actualized, they are seen as something good and worth pursuing nevertheless.

But mostly, I don't think the opinions of proponents or opponents of this idea are swayed by wether we call it Utopia or Evtopia. If anything, using the more common term makes it more relatable.

[–] ThorCroix@lemmy.eco.br 3 points 1 year ago

I have always understood utopia as a term to describe the idea of a society that is so idealistic that is sounds unlikely to be reached but not necessarily impossible.

The problem with the word Utopia is that most people use it for things that they don't understand and don't care to understand, assuming then that the idea they are rejecting is too unrealistic (too idealistic) to be possible to obtain.

But people fail to understand that the idealistic (or utopian ideas) are important to guides us towards a direction and discover things that we are capable to do that previous seemed impossible, inspired and dedicated by our ideals.

[–] u1l@slrpnk.net 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

that wikipedia article is interesting, because it mentions Ευτοπία

In his original work, [Thomas] More carefully pointed out the similarity of the word to eutopia, meaning “good place”, from Greek: εὖ (“good” or “well”) and τόπος (“place”), which ostensibly would be the more appropriate term for the concept in modern English. The pronunciations of eutopia and utopia in English are identical, which may have given rise to the change in meaning.

Because of the same pronunciations I spelled it Evtopia instead of Eutopia which also seems to be closer to the greek pronounciation.

I do think though, that the term utopia has a tint of pessimism as it can be used to discredit ideas, because they were merely utopian and should be realistic.

[–] dxdydz@slrpnk.net 2 points 1 year ago

EVtopia just sounds like an electric car website to me

[–] Monkatronic@slrpnk.net 0 points 1 year ago

Toni Morrison has a great essay that explores this idea in the context of race, and she uses the word 'home' to describe her better world, which I personally really like

Essay here: https://public.wsu.edu/~hughesc/morrison_home.htm