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[–] CumBroth@discuss.tchncs.de 110 points 5 months ago

If not friend, why friend-shaped? :(

[–] DudeImMacGyver@sh.itjust.works 67 points 5 months ago (9 children)

Too be fair, we can kill them too. I bet people kill more bears than bears kill people.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 69 points 5 months ago (1 children)

In 2023 hunters reported harvesting 1,616 black bears in Oregon – 680 during the spring season and 936 in the fall

https://myodfw.com/articles/2024-spring-bear-hunting-forecast

Oregon has not documented any fatal bear attacks.

https://www.kptv.com/2023/05/24/bear-attacks-la-grande-man-after-he-shoots-it-twice/

[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 17 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Looked it up fairly recently (cuz you know men got mad about bears or whatever) but don’t have source on me: Black bears cause about 1.2 human deaths per year across all of America.

[–] Montagge@lemmy.zip 11 points 5 months ago (2 children)

That's probably about right. Black bears don't get into fights they don't have to. I don't know how many dozens of black bears I've been around, but the only problem I've ever had involved a cub. Even that was a communication issue! I was trying to get the hell out of there, the cub was moving towards me, and the sow didn't like me moving in any direction lol

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[–] kambusha@sh.itjust.works 10 points 5 months ago

Takes them five years to finally kill that second human

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

The only stories I hear about black bear related deaths typically involve some kind of "Messing With Sasquatch" moment on a couple of cubs.

[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee 6 points 5 months ago (5 children)

It's kinda why I never got the whole would you rather thing. As a fairly big dude, I'd much prefer the bear over a man or a woman. The bear is more than likely just going to scamper off. Even decent people in bad situations are very dangerous creatures, and more than likely, I'm just going to have to take care of a complete stranger in the woods.

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[–] LowtierComputer@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago

No question. They're regularly hunted.

[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (4 children)

Yeah, but we're not cute, so it makes sense

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[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 47 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (3 children)

I understand why they kill us.

In addition to destroying their habitats for strip malls, we rope them into entirely too many of our rhetorical infighting arguments.

[–] ValiantDust@feddit.de 44 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

It must be unbearable for them.

[–] Allonzee@lemmy.world 22 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] ValiantDust@feddit.de 17 points 5 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, I never can resist poking the bear.

[–] knightmare1147@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago

I can bearly stand these puns.

[–] hakunawazo@lemmy.world 12 points 5 months ago

We also taunt them with solidified gelatine sweets.

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[–] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 34 points 5 months ago

Feeling cute, might eviscerate later!

[–] LazyPhilosopher@lemmy.world 30 points 5 months ago (1 children)
[–] MeDuViNoX@sh.itjust.works 15 points 5 months ago
[–] Gigan@lemmy.world 24 points 5 months ago (5 children)

I wish ancient humans had domesticated bears and bred them to be pet-sized

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 32 points 5 months ago

The best time to do this was 1000 years ago. The second best time is now!

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 16 points 5 months ago (2 children)

On a less jokey note, pretty much every living mammal has been subjected to domestication attempts at some point in history. Bears, elephants, tigers, hippopotami, moose... More often than not, there's some kind of inherent physiological reason why it doesn't work.

Some animals don't breed well in captivity (pandas, famously, but cheetahs are another classic case). Some can't handle captivity at all - the few efforts at keeping Great Whites in captivity ended with the animals bludgeoning themselves to death on the walls of their enclosures. Others are consistently too aggressive to effectively tame (zebras, coyotes, chimps, elephants, and pythons are notable for all the historic instances domestication failed for these reasons). And some simply aren't pleasant household companions - skunks, raccoons, and foxes are all notable for their powerful odors and their propensity to destroy the interiors of homes.

There's some speculation as to whether cats ever were actually domesticated successfully, or whether we've simply chosen to ignore their feral habits as such.

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[–] kofe@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Well there are red pandas. I've always wanted to cuddle one

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[–] daddyjones@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago (1 children)

It wouldn't be so bad if they could only cuddle you to death. Still not great, but better...

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[–] pete_the_cat@lemmy.world 21 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago) (1 children)

Same thing with big cats:

A Jaguar or Leopard just looks and acts like a big house cat.. but it can crush your skull with one bite and can drag your dead body 30 feet vertically up a tree.

[–] Rozauhtuno@lemmy.blahaj.zone 13 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Then why are house bears not a thing? Not fair.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They're called raccoons and they put holes in your drywall.

[–] itstoowet@lemmy.world 5 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Ah yes, Raccoon Willie demonstrates that very very well https://piped.video/watch?v=E5ODWQPhB_0

(One of my favorite vintage YouTube videos)

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[–] WalrusDragonOnABike@lemmy.today 3 points 5 months ago

At least we get other domesticated Caniformia (the "dog-like" suborder), just no domesticated Ursidae (bear family) specifically.

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[–] Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee 18 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Polar bears look closer to how a giant killing machine is supposed to look.

[–] mechoman444@lemmy.world 15 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Well, they won't kill you right away... They'll toy with you for a while then kill you.

[–] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago
[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 5 months ago (5 children)

Tigers are fairly common household pets in places like India, since they very much are like cats and are glad to be a cuddle-bug for free food. However this is at the risk that the tiger will forget herself and maul you in a moment of playfulness or annoyed aggression. And once you're dead, well, there's one last meal you can offer before it's back to life in the jungle.

This is not to say all tigers are amenable. Some are just assholes.

Same with bears, and people have lived alongside bears for eons, knowing full well that alliance only lasts until famine comes a'knocking once again. (Grim fact, -- relevant considering famine in Palestine -- enough famine will drive us social apes to turn on each other and go full cannibal, which is why it's regarded as a major humanitarian crisis, and cruel to induce. It's also why Bron killed all the known thieves in anticipation of the imminent siege.)

In the meantime, Grizzly Man lived with bears for ten years before getting killed by an unfamiliar one that was just a jerk.

[–] Sentau@discuss.tchncs.de 16 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Tigers are fairly common household pets in places like India

Are you sure this statement is true¿? I never heard about any story of anybody having a fucking tiger as a pet

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[–] TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 months ago (1 children)

Tigers also kill people way more often than bears.

Stats on this are hard to compare because black bears are responsible for 1.2 kills in the US per year and tigers are like 34 kills per year in India which does have like 4x the population of humans, but also there’s a LOT less tigers to do that killing [like 5,000 tigers to 400,000 black bears] So like… yeah.

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[–] Larry@lemmy.world 8 points 5 months ago

Tigers are not common household pets in India

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[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 11 points 5 months ago

Well, it's fucked up for them that the bipedes made up of delicious meat have guns...

[–] niktemadur@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (1 children)

They won't just kill you. They fuckin' EAT you.

[–] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 9 points 5 months ago (3 children)

Seriously, polar bears are one of the few animals in the world that see humans as prey and a legitimate food source.

There are many animals that can kill you, very very few that will eat you.

[–] finkrat@lemmy.world 6 points 5 months ago (2 children)

Humanity: having an obesity epidemic

Polar Bears: "increased fat stores?? D E L I C I O U S"

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[–] uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 5 months ago (6 children)

Oh, if you're particular to the white ones, it's the -40° that'll kill you. Not the bear.

[–] wieson@feddit.de 10 points 5 months ago

Yeah... the -40° and the opened abdomen

[–] vrighter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 5 months ago (2 children)
[–] fjordbasa@lemmy.world 10 points 5 months ago
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[–] StaySquared@lemmy.world 7 points 5 months ago (1 children)

There's only one bear I would have as a pet..

Red panda.

[–] pearsaltchocolatebar 6 points 5 months ago

From what I've heard they're basically like a dog with opposable thumbs, which sounds like an awful pet.

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