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[–] Dagnet@lemmy.world 118 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Best part is portuguese, it seems kids in Portugal are now speaking with a brazilian accent because most Portuguese videos on youtube/tiktok are made by brazilians lol get reverse colonized suckers

[–] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 31 points 7 months ago (1 children)

For quite a while, brasil was the metropolis and Portugal the colony (as the Royal family moved to Rio).

[–] deus@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago

Thank you, Napoleon.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (6 children)

Not really (source: am a Portuguese currently living in Portugal).

Kids here can immitate a Brasilian accent, and so can many if not most adults, because maybe 4 decades ago Brasilian soap operas became all the rage in Portuguese TV, but they don't go around normally speaking with a Brasilian accent.

Then again I can immitate a number of US regional accents (well enough to fool Brits) and a number of British regional accents (well enough to fool Americans) when speaking English, but that's not at all the same as generally speaking with that accent (though, having lived over a decade in London, my English language accent tends towards RP English, also because I actually made an effort to make my speech easier for locals to understand, rather than the confusing Portuguese/Dutch/American/RP accent I tended to have when speaking English in lazy mode).

There are a lot of Brasilians in Portugal (about 3% of the population, not counting those who got Portuguese nationality which they can after 5 years without having to give up their Brasilian nationality) and that also includes a lot of kids, so of those kids the ones who came here when they were already 5 years old or older would speak with a Brasilian accent.

In my own experience living in several countries and learning their language, which included picking up their accent, you don't get the accent of the speech you're exposed to a small part of the time, you pick up the one you're exposed to most of the time, so for example my Dutch has an Amsterdam accent and I didn't at all try to pick it up, I just lived there and that's what I heard most of the time from those I spoke with.

[–] Norbas@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

epa calmex, pra q tanto paragrafo

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

É pró pessoal de lá fora.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.world 23 points 7 months ago (12 children)

Honestly I find the British accent really hard to understand. On tv anyway.

[–] GreatAlbatross@feddit.uk 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Which British accent? Westcountry or Scouse, you probably have a point.

[–] cmgvd3lw@discuss.tchncs.de 23 points 7 months ago

See this is the problem.

[–] thetreesaysbark@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Any thick accent is hard to understand really. And in almost all parts of the UK there are people with thick accents.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago
[–] Cosmos7349@lemmy.world 13 points 7 months ago (1 children)

And then you go live the UK, realize that tv uses only a small subset of British accents, and sometimes find yourself wondering “Huh I wonder what language that is?” only to realize it was English 20 minutes after the fact

[–] cfi@lemmy.world 8 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)
[–] bamboo@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 7 months ago

The greater good

[–] The_Picard_Maneuver@lemmy.world 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I have to turn on captions sometimes

[–] acockworkorange@mander.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

Go ahead, flex not using captions all the time.

[–] Aceticon@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Which British accent?

There's the "standard" called RP (for Received Pronounciation) also known as the BBC English, there's the rich people's accent (yeah, rich people in Britain have their own accent) known as Posh English, then there is a poor/working class Londoner accent called Cockney Accent (which outside Britain you often hear in TV series taking place in working class London neighbourhoods or when showing poor people in 19th century London), then there are a number of regional ones just in England (though those are harder to explicitly recognize if you're a foreigner, even if for example you can tell that somebody from Manchester has an accent different from somebody from Essex), then there are the other nations of Britain (Scotland, Wales, Northern-Ireland) which themselves have one or more accents each (I know for sure Scotland has more than one accent since I can notice the difference).

Mind you, I only know this because I lived there for over a decade.

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[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 9 points 7 months ago (6 children)

American English is closer to what English used to sound like than modern British English.

[–] Noite_Etion@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago (6 children)

At what point in time? the language is nearly 1400 years old.

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[–] CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)
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[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 2 points 7 months ago

That's absolute horseshit made up by a journalist on a slow news day, by the way

[–] tiredofsametab@kbin.run 2 points 7 months ago

British English is not some monolith and was less homogeneous than it even is now at the time many were coming to the Americas. If this were true it would only be true for a particular region. English outside of the UK also diverged as it no longer followed trends happening there, and regional variations went in sometimes different directions.

Even within the US, English isn't super homogeneous. Look at Appalachian compared to California or someplace. Parts of Louisiana have unique features from Accadian and influence from Spanish.

[–] holgersson@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago (3 children)

Really? I thought this was only the case with Quebecois and French

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[–] Hugh_Jeggs@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

"French" Canadian got off lightly on this on then?

[–] jol@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 7 months ago

Even Canadians know they are the ones who sound funny.

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