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[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 93 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Since she stopped caring for patients, there has been 1 death in 7 years. There were 6 in the year while she was on duty.

[–] Ubermeisters@lemmy.zip 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Spacebar@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago
[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don’t know if it shows on this photo and I just can’t see it (Lemmios cuts photos off for some reason) but I read somewhere else that the nurse after Lucy that was there for the most attempted/murders were there for just 7 of the 25.

About the murders stopping, it occurred to me that if she were being set up, that would be the perfect time for the real murderer to stop - after someone else had been arrested. Clearly my latest criminal minds re-binge if affecting my brain though - so much evidence points to her it’s beyond unlikely that this is a set up/conspiracy.

[–] mrlavallee@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hey, Lemmios developer here, what do you mean by cutting off images? It’s a known bug (I’m not sure that’s the right word because it’s working as intended just looks odd when people embed images in the body of a post) that Lemmios will only show the begging of a text post in the main feed, but once a post is clicked on there shouldn’t be any cut off images? The image loads fine for me and I would love a screenshot of it getting cut off if you can?

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Sure. Here’s an example from a post I made to !badrealestate if you want to check it in out yourself.

The first photo from the post is normal. The second photo I’d added to the “body” part of the post and it’s absolutely giant.

You can’t “scroll” on the massive photo either. That’s why I wasn’t sure if I was seeing the whole photo OP posted. I’m one of your beta testers if that helps, still using the beta and it’s updated automatically.

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[–] Aviandelight@mander.xyz 78 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Geez the judge told the jurors that they would never have to serve jury duty again because the case was so traumatic. I don't even want to imagine what everyone involved went through.

[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

tbh, i don't think it's common to do more than one jury service in your life anyway. My dad is gone 60 and he has only done one recently. i'm 30 and have not done one

[–] SomeoneElse@lemmy.ca 3 points 1 year ago

Both my dad and partner have done it twice, each time for less than two weeks. I think the jurors in this cause were further excused because of the sheer length of the trial, rather than because the evidence they had to consider was particularly gruesome. Obviously a premature baby serial killer is gruesome, but I think jurors are usually excused from serving again if the trial has been so horrific that they’re offered counselling or something. It’s very very rare for a trial to take more than 6 weeks.

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[–] watson387@sopuli.xyz 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow. How horrible do you have to be to murder health premature babies?

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 52 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Based on the writing pictured in the article, she was seriously mentally ill.

[–] synthetic_apriori@programming.dev 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It’s telling that throughout the entire article, neither the author nor the quoted individuals make a single mention of the personal and societal importance of mental health.

[–] SheeEttin@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I think the BBC has a policy of not reporting a suicide, but for something like this it's absolutely relevant.

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[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago

I think that could be guessed without seeing the writing in the article as well, though obviously you're right.

Some killers are just psychopaths/sociopaths (like Ted Bundy) but the vast majority have some serious problems which have unfortunately been missed or more likely hidden and she's received no help for them leading to.... This. It's awful.

I work in a hospital. Management should have been all over this but it sounds very much like they didn't want any trouble so ignored it as much as possible.

Staff should have one to ones with their managers including checking up on their welfare which is done properly could have picked up on something in the killer's behaviour or mental health which wasn't right.

Wards should have high standards of monitoring and if there's an unexpected death the reason why should be fully investigated. If there was any room for doubt they should have at least escalated it to into an independent internal investigation - it's not like there were a lot of potential suspects.

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[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 46 points 1 year ago

Guilty verdict not a surprise after reading about the case earlier this year. Having a nurse on the wards supposedly looking after the most vulnerable babies in hospital and instead killing them is every parents nightmare.

[–] theKalash@feddit.ch 37 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I always wonder, how many single-time murderers are there for every serial killer? Like how many nurses, doctors or other people with an opportunity just took and murdered once. How many people might get away with that?

Every serial killer has his first kill … but how many people have a first kill and then think … nah, I’d rather not do that but don’t get caught.

[–] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I want the say that I saw a statistic saying that murder clearance rates were only about 50%. That coupled with wrong conviction rates makes one wonder.

I genuinely don't know if that's true or not though.

[–] Bipta@kbin.social 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I once had an off duty officer threaten me by mentioning the low rate of solved, and even lower convicted, murders.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

That's the kind of thing the FBI is interested in hearing. Please report it.

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[–] notapantsday@feddit.de 5 points 1 year ago

I mean... it's pretty much impossible to know how many undiscovered murders there are. Yes, you can do autopsies on everyone who's declared dead and then figure out how many of them were killed, but there are a lot of ways to kill a person that won't show up in an autopsy, especially in a hospital setting.

[–] Mediocre_Bard@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You can kill someone in healthcare without it being murder. People just expect some people to die.

[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 7 points 1 year ago

Accidents happen if course. If it was a preventable accident it could potentially be classed under incompetence, which is kind of the medical version of manslaughter depending on the situation. But proving that would probably require another professional whistleblowing on a colleague.

[–] Telorand@kbin.social 22 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Does anyone know if there was a motive? I didn't see one in the article, but maybe I missed it.

Either way, she deserves permanent incarceration away from society. "Fucked up" is an inadequate description.

[–] ArtieShaw@kbin.social 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There's a wiki article on the subject of nurses who kill their patients. It contains some general speculation on motivations.

The motivation for this type of criminal behaviour is variable, but generally falls into one or more types or patterns:[4]

Mercy killer: Believe the victims are suffering or beyond help, though this belief may be delusional.
Sadistic: Use their position as a way of exerting power and control over helpless victims.
Malignant hero: A pattern wherein the subject endangers the victim's life in some way and then proceeds to "save" them. Some feign attempting resuscitation, all the while knowing their victim is already dead and beyond help, but hope to be seen as selflessly making an effort.

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

None of them seem to fit here. A mercy killer would only work if she views the world as so bad that she spares the babies the suffering in growing up inside of it, but she seems to acknowledge that she's a terrible person. This fact also makes me want to cross out the sadistic one, because I feel a sadistic sociopath wouldn't end up feeling remorse. And from what I can tell she didn't try to be the hero either, not even sure you can with some of the ways she chose to kill them. Could maybe some sort of compulsion or deeper mental issues, like hearing voices or something. There's definitely something very wrong with her.

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[–] PrettyFlyForAFatGuy@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

no real motive has been established

[–] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

They found this note, it gives us a tiny glimpse into Lucy's mind, at least..

[–] RandallFlagg@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Does someone mind transcribing the chicken scratch handwriting?

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[–] Thief@lemmy.myserv.one 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Wow what a chilling story, never knew about this. How anyone can think they can get away with this is beyond me.

[–] ArtieShaw@kbin.social 58 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The companion story: Hospital bosses ignored months of doctors' warnings about Lucy Letby suggests that not only did hospital management ignore the problem for almost 9 months, they had no interest in involving the police or outside investigators. They even required two of the doctors to apologize to her for their accusations.

So I guess she was getting away with it just fine.

[–] ultranaut@lemmy.world 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't know how the hospital administrators live with themselves. According to that article, if they had acted when they were warned they could have potentially prevented 5 assaults on infants, including 2 murders. Babies were murdered because they tried to cover up what was going on instead of stopping it. It's truly monstrous and they should face consequences.

[–] hglman@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

They should, and I suspect they just don't care. Our world needs to make leaders face the consequences.

[–] AstroViking@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Every one of those involved in shushing it up need naming and prosecuting. They won't be though.

[–] greenskye@lemm.ee 10 points 1 year ago

If more people went to jail for ignoring issues or covering them up we'd see less of this kind of thing taking so long to get resolved.

[–] HipPriest@kbin.social 8 points 1 year ago

There was actually someone similar in the news when I was growing up, Beverly Allit. I remember seeing stuff about that on the local news because it wasn't that far away from where we were. It's pretty terrifying, the idea that you can just be leaving your children in the hands of people like this

[–] Surp@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

I have a child. I read just to the part in the article about what she did and I fucking cried. I never wanna see this picture or hear about her again.

[–] Captain_Jimmy_T_Kirk@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

What an irredeemable monster.

[–] _sideffect@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Suffer in prison and then rot in hell, you bitch

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