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I'll start, I missed the outdoor cats struggle session so i don't know what its deal was except a vague idea that outdoor cats were bad, so I've let my two cats stay being outdoor cats because I feel bad locking them inside, like I want to give them some experience of freedom to go where they please so they can live more fulfilling lives

Edit: also kruschev is imo a lot better than most hexbear users give him credit for

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[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 55 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (8 children)

I hate the quote "the master's tools will never dismantle the master's house." I am positive I can demolish his house with his killdozer.

EDIT: I'm pretty sure I got yelled at the last time I posted this lol.

[–] Zoift@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago

Hell yea, new tagline

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[–] SeventyTwoTrillion@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

The best struggle sessions need to not be so important that they might split the site (unless getting rid of the reactionaries is the point), but also not so unimportant that nobody will give a shit.

It also needs to be something that people will have a personal opinion on, so like "Should we have critical support of this small party from 1952 in Liechtenstein" probably won't bring engagement because nobody knows anything about it.

And finally, it should be something that hasn't been debated to death already in the mainstream, so that people aren't already tired of talking about it.

so the outdoor/indoor cat thing was purrfect. outdoor cats do have very real-world consequences on species but aren't like, a driving cause of ecological destruction unlike capitalists, people have opinions on it because many are cat owners or know cat owners, and it wasn't something all over the news already.

my only real idea is "Nuclear energy: good or bad?" but that's been a public debate for decades now

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (15 children)

What about wearing shoes indoors? That's always a good one because people who haven't done it before don't know it breaks down heavily based on region and climate and culture, so they yell past each other for a long time.

[–] GorbinOutOverHere@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

The only time it's not stupid to wear shoes indoors is if your floor is already filthy

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[–] beef_curds@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Can we do "please use a washcloth in the shower?"

I think it has the potential to really annoy the core audience here, and also gives room for loofah posting.

[–] YearOfTheCommieDesktop@hexbear.net 36 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I'll bite: why? its just another rag that I'll have to run through the wash every like 2 days

[–] beef_curds@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (17 children)

Because actually using a wet cloth to scrub something gets it cleaner than just putting soap on it then rinsing. If you think you're doing a good job scrubbing with your fingers, you aren't getting nearly as much coverage as you'd get in half the time with a rag.

also exfoliation.

[–] judgeholden@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (6 children)

using your hands is fine, how dirty are you people that you need to sand your body? I find that everyone who uses a washcloth type of thing uses it several times and not only does it makes the bathroom smell repulsive, but they're also wiping themselves with a bacteria rag

[–] beef_curds@hexbear.net 39 points 1 year ago (1 children)

There you go. That's the spirit. Now we got the struggle sesh.

wiping themselves with a bacteria rag

Gonna blow your mind here: you wash them.

[–] judgeholden@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

if you do it after every use, it's probably fine. people who I've seen use them don't tend to do that shrug-outta-hecks

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[–] eight@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (2 children)

tbf i don't shower hardly at all because i don't smell bad

[–] Jenniferr@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Comp4@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Bunch of fake leftists in this thread. I only use rainwater to clean myself

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[–] alexandra_kollontai@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago

This one is genius. It's genius because people can be mildly offended by it, and need to retort to defend their honor. "What, you're saying my body is grubby all the time?" "Of course I wash my washcloth after every use!" "No my bathroom is not infested with bacteria!" I'll be back in a couple of hours to check how it's going antelope-popcorn

[–] Twink@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Look, I can wash you with a cloth to reenact me, a peasant, preparing you, a mighty warrior, for battle, however, you will not moist cloth me while my body is being showered.

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[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Car batteries should be thrown in the ocean!!

[–] Zoift@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

Everyone agreed on this one though.

[–] ElGosso@hexbear.net 40 points 1 year ago (23 children)

We could do male circumcision, that's usually nice and contentious.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope it's not here. I got rugburn on my glans last week and it sucked.

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[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (2 children)

except a vague idea that outdoor cats were bad

??!?

monke-rage

Repeat this 72691 times and you have the cat struggle session.

[–] Freeanotherday@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

And if you don't have a strong opinion either way both sides will agree you are in fact the biggest centrist liberal to ever live.

[–] sharedburdens@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago

I don't judge outdoor cat havers, but it makes me sad thinking about how likely they are to get hit by cars or have a bad coyote encountermeow-cactus

Not having them eating birds is also nice too

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[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 38 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Compulsory public school is a topic that could easily turn into a struggle session.

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'll get us started: compulsory public education in a capitalist society is prone to child abuse. It's where imperial propaganda gets ingrained and where people who want power over children have unlimited access to control them.

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 56 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being anti-public education is literally a fascist talking point and one that's dangerously popular with US conservatives already. Public education is far from perfect, but removing resources will make every single problem with it worse. Besides, teacher's unions are one of the last viable union careers.

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Teachers are cops and being pro teacher is pro cop. Literally if you try to refuse public school as a child, violent enforcement will be threatened and eventually called if you don't confirm.

[–] ZapataCadabra@hexbear.net 47 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Public education is one of the basic principles of any socialist program. Public education was one of the very first things the USSR and Cuba did. Uneducated people fall easier to propaganda.

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[–] EndMilkInCrisps@hexbear.net 37 points 1 year ago (3 children)

ACAB includes spins wheel dictionaries. Prescriptivist spelling is classist.

[–] Erika2rsis@lemmy.blahaj.zone 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Am I allowed to say "this, but only half-ironically"?

The problem isn't really with dictionaries, which are a great tool for documenting and learning a language as it changes. I have nothing but respect for the editors of dictionaries. The problem is more with the way that a lot of people treat dictionaries as an authority, even though that isn't what they're supposed to be used for. This ends up being just one way in which a sort of hegemonic standard language is established/reproduced, which marginalizes non-standard language use.

...I dunno where I'm going with this. I just started typing and then blacked out for a second.

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[–] MaoTheLawn@hexbear.net 35 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I tried to have one about Nicolas Maduro the other day but no one was brave enough to weigh in:

https://hexbear.net/post/353817

please guys 0 comments hurts

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 30 points 1 year ago (5 children)

the problem with this one is that all the libs/chuds have the biggest opinions. it's hard to struggle over "he's fine, the US should leave Venezuela alone"

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[–] Infamousblt@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (11 children)

We can restart the struggle session about when 17 year old children make one big bad decision and that makes them irredeemable for life no matter what end of story. That was a fun struggle session. It's extra fun because it's also a far right wing view depending on the mistake, so it gets everyone upset

[–] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I saw "17 year old" and I instantly remembered the "power dynamics" struggle sesh

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[–] Finger@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (10 children)

no more half measures walter

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[–] Frank@hexbear.net 33 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think dogs should be allowed to stay outside all day provided they have shelter and lots of water.

idk I'm trying to think of a really good one but I can't come up with anything.

How about "Reading Marx is revisionist because Socialism is supposed to be scientific and relying too much on a "golden age" of theory is akin to reactionary thinking"? Is that anything?

[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Ooh that could be a good one. Could also just have the revisionism one, since almost nobody agrees where the line is there, it's like arguing with people anywhere between Idaho and Missouri what "midwest" means.

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[–] Zoift@hexbear.net 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I think we should relegalize indoor smoking.

[–] Frank@hexbear.net 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hell yeah, I can work with this.

I will literally constrict my own ravioli and become anerobic before I tolerate living in niccotine hell again!

[–] Zoift@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I think Covid & climate induced wildfires have caused a real shift in the perception of air quality. In that we've all realized its really shit. CO² levels alone in crowded buildings commonly exceed thresholds recognized to cause minor cognitive deficits. Even in hospital settings most modern buildings have a pretty pathetic exchange & filtration rate with the outside air, and thats saying nothing of the basically non-existant regulations on other public or communal spaces.

Modern society requires drastic retrofits and rebuildings to basically everywhere to have decent quality air. Under global communism there will be robust enough filtration systems to let me smoke a fat blunt at Kroger.

Edit:Also diner food hits different when the cook gets ash in the pan. You just dont get it.

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[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

No no let's combine them.

Anyone that isn't vegan isn't a real Lemming and we should defederate from them.

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[–] SootyChimney@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (9 children)

The struggle session I'm always ready for: When are reactionaries deserving of death rather than a chance at rehabilitation?

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

so I've let my two cats stay being outdoor cats

you are liberal, its terminal kitty-birthday-sad

[–] Maoo@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago (8 children)

She was just doing what the unions wanted

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_FOUCAULTS@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Just do anti-natalism again. That one's always good

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