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[–] Hux@lemmy.ml 174 points 6 months ago (4 children)

I agree with the graphic.

However, I recently completed a straight watch-thru of every Simpsons episode, and while watching the lackluster episodes from seasons ~20-~30, I have to acknowledge one thing:

Quality of the show and its writing have noticeably improved since around Season 32.

The most recent episodes feel more centered on the family and much less on bizarre cameos and really outrageous situations. It actually feels like a show about the Simpson family and treats the characters more age-appropriately.

I don’t like that they lost/recast established voices of minority characters (Apu, Carl, Dr. Hibbert, etc), I do think the quality and the focus of the show is much better than it has been in almost 2-decades.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 72 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

Thank you for actually acknowledging this.

The way the Internet talks about the Simpsons is so damn annoying. The vast, vast majority of them haven't actually watched an episode and formed their own opinion on it in over a decade, they just keep repeating the same tired meme over and over again.

Long running shows have different writers coming and going, therefore quality fluctuates up and down over time. That's one of the nice things about a long running show: it gets to experiment and let new blood invigorate new life into it. There is no singular "death", there's just hills and valleys.

[–] TrickDacy@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago (6 children)

You nailed it. Individual episodes are good bad and meh. I have a feeling if I was younger and exposed to the Simpsons now, I would've liked it just as much as I used to.

The constant shitting on the Simpsons needs to stop. It obviously gets good enough rating to keep on the air well over 30 years, so give it a rest.

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[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I caught some clips of a recent season and the VAs just sound so old and tired. Regardless of the current writing, just let the show end. Have the writers write for something else.

[–] MintyFresh@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Right?! Lisa sounded like a straight up old lady. And I'm still pissed about apu.

[–] zurohki@aussie.zone 25 points 6 months ago

The show's been running for 35 years. Lisa's voice actor is 59 now. She is an old lady.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 19 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Dude, that's over 700 episodes, most of which suck ass. Why would you do that to yourself?

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (2 children)

How do you know they suck ass if you haven't watched them?

Legitimately, what is it about the Internet and this show specifically where people feel compelled to sound off on something they are not actually watching, and haven't watched in years?

[–] li10@feddit.uk 22 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Based on the graphic, people watching them think they’re ass as well tho…

Kinda the whole point of the post.

[–] BassTurd@lemmy.world 28 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Honestly, the scores aren't really terrible for the most part. The colors of the graphic are certainly painting it worse than it is. Dark orange is still up to a 6.7 rating, which isn't bad, and that's close to the average for the majority of the "bad" season. What hurts them the most is that the first 10 season were so good, the delta between them and after was large.

[–] li10@feddit.uk 12 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Honestly, less than 7 on IMDB is bad.

Most average things fall between 7-8, 8+ is really good, 6 and lower is bad. So the colours actually do lineup with the score imo.

5 absolutely doesn’t mean average on IMDB. If something gets a 5 then it’s absolute dogshit.

[–] bassomitron@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Not necessarily, context is pretty key on IMDb. There are plenty of shows and movies that get review bombed, especially if they're tackling a controversial subject. And nowadays, if anything has even the slightest hint of either being "woke" or alrernatively making fun of "woke" subjects, either side will come in and drop a ton of 1's, dropping the rating significantly. This happens with videogames all the time, too. The most famous example being Last of Us 2, where the game itself was really quite good (e.g. gameplay, design, pacing, etc), but because it included a trans character and a certain event at the beginning with a key character, the internet went rabid and bombed the shit out of the game at launch.

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[–] missphant@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 6 months ago

The graphic in the post does cut off 4 seasons before the current one and also before where the top level comment mentioned writing got significantly better again.

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[–] protist@mander.xyz 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Oh, I've checked in with new episodes occasionally over the years, and they were awful. Legitimately, I'm sounding off on this show because in many ways it defined my childhood. What is it with the internet that people feel compelled to sound off on someone sounding off?!

The bigger issue is that 35 seasons of the Simpsons is over 380 hours of continuous television

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[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 67 points 6 months ago (7 children)

I'm not disputing that The Simpsons declined in quality, but I do kind of question the high scores for the first season or two.

I'm not a superfan or anything, but my perception of the show was that it took 3 or 4 seasons to really get good?

[–] teamevil@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago (1 children)

You have to remember the setting...the first couple of seasons the Simpsons was a huge change from standard sitcoms in the late 80s. It got eyes on it as it grew into itself.

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[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 24 points 6 months ago (1 children)

During the first 3 seasons Simpsons was animated by KlaskyCsupo, "animation executive producer" and "supervising animation director" was GΓ‘bor CsupΓ³. After he left animation style changed to more conventional.

So while the characters, writing and plotlines were not as genial as in the following seasons the animation style was much more interesting, with strange perspectives and point of views, distorted spaces, etc. Just look at this early recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LUf-GGHpuU

[–] Edgarallenpwn@midwest.social 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (2 children)

The twister mouth might be the most known/famous creative decision during the KlaskyCsupo seasons. After the Simpsons they worked on Duckman which feels like a series more suited to their animation style.

KlaskyCsupo also animated for Rugrats and Aaahh Real Monsters as well if those early seasons seem familiar but you can't put your finger on why.

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[–] MotoAsh@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago (1 children)

To get uniquely good, I'd agree, but I recently started rewatching from the start and it starts strong. At least for a start, anyways. Some cliche plot lines, but it's never JUST the main plot line so even the cliches aren't boring or lazily done.

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[–] Got_Bent@lemmy.world 17 points 6 months ago

I was seventeen when the Simpsons became their own show. The cultural impact was enormous and immediate. By the summer of 1990, images of the Simpsons were freaking everywhere. Clothes, glasses, miscellaneous trinkets, everywhere.

So it's not really necessary for the first couple of seasons to come short against seasons three and four.

The seismic wave the show caused from its beginning were enough to garner those scores you see.

[–] qevlarr@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Uhm, the values are going up after a few seasons

[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Indeed but I'm questioning the scores themselves in S1 and S2. Put it this way, I didn't think that those seasons were considered almost as good as most the next 8, I would have expected them to be mostly in the 6.8-7.2 range.

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[–] sanguinepar@lemmy.world 49 points 6 months ago (4 children)

For anyone wondering the top rated episodes here, all at 9.2 are:

S5E2 Cape Feare
S6E6 Treehouse of Horror V
S6E25 Who Shot Mr. Burns? Part One
S8E2 You Only Move Twice

And just as I was finishing that, I noticed that one episode has a 9.3, d'oh!

S8E23 Homer's Enemy

[–] Azuth@lemmy.today 39 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Love how even IRL people forget about Frank Grimes. good ol Grimey

[–] TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 9 points 6 months ago

Change the channel Marge!

[–] MissJinx@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Just want to add that nobody is talking about the decline of tv itself. Its not only the simpsons but the whole media.

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[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 35 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

The first two sub-6.0 episodes are clip shows.

wiki S06E03:

"Another Simpsons Clip Show" is the third episode of the sixth season of the American animated television series The Simpsons. It originally aired on the Fox network in the United States on September 25, 1994. In the episode, Marge reads a romance novel in bed, and it prompts her to have a family meeting, where the Simpson family recall their past loves in form of clips from previous episodes.

wiki S09E11:

"All Singing, All Dancing" is the eleventh episode of the ninth season of the American animated television series The Simpsons. It originally aired on the Fox network in the United States on January 4, 1998. In the fourth Simpsons clip show, Homer claims he hates singing, so Marge shows family videos of musical numbers from previous seasons. The episode is in the form of a sung-through musical, featuring spoken dialogue only at the start and end of the episode. The original material was directed by Mark Ervin and written by Steve O'Donnell. It was executive produced by David Mirkin. It features guest appearances from George Harrison, Patrick Stewart and Phil Hartman, although these are all clips and none of them recorded original material for the episode.

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[–] RarePossum@programming.dev 29 points 6 months ago (2 children)

I'm just nitpicking but why are 7.7 and 6.6 arbitrary the thresholds for the colour change? Also, why is one 6.6 red while another two are yellow?

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 22 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)

It appears that the colours are not on a fixed scale. The season averages and individual episodes are coloured using different ranges.

It ranges from lowest to highest regardless of the value. Like conditional formatting in Excel does if you don't specify the scale.

The seasons average ratings range from 6.1-8.4, so it goes red to green in the span of 2.3 points.

The episodes range from 3.9 to 9.3, so it goes red to green in the span of 5.4 points.

The full IMDb ratings range from 1-10. This should have been used as a basis for the colouring instead. The overall average on IMDb is somewhere around 7, so it would be fine to skew the colours so the middle/yellow was at 7, but it should be able to represent any possible ratings.

[–] deweydecibel@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Should probably also be acknowledged that the sample size is not going to be the same.

You're going to get a bunch of people piling in to highly rate the early episodes that they remember watching when they were kids, but a significantly lower number are going to be voting on the episodes that came later.

Really the whole premise of trying to compare and contrast the seasons for such a long running show that existed before IMDb even started is flawed on many levels.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 23 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Comedy has changed in 31 years. So has humour in general, and so has writing.

The Simpsons is never going to be the same as it was over the seasons because that's not how culture works. Meanwhile, the reviews are mostly coming from long time viewers who lament that it's not like it "used to be".

Shows change. Get over it.

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[–] racemaniac@lemmy.dbzer0.com 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Isn't it also just because it's old and people get bored of it? People crave new things, and even if it's just as good as in the beginning, it'll get lower ratings because it's not new anymore.

I remember quite some years ago i was like "i'm finally going to watch southpark". And people were already complaining about how the latest seasons were worse than the first seasons. Watched a ton of seasons in a short period, and honestly can't say the later seasons felt any worse than the first ones when you're not bored of the series yet. Now so many years later when i watch some more southpark, it's not as fun as when i started watching it since the "it's new and exciting" feeling is long gone.

[–] menemen@lemmy.ml 9 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Probably some truth to that. Also, when Simpson first came out they were quite unique. Nowadays there is a lot of edgy comic shows around.

[–] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 21 points 6 months ago

The last few seasons had a big jump in plot quality imho, with some exceptional episodes. But also yes, 10 years ago entire seasons felt comparatively bland & empty. I also feel like I would rate early seasons a bit lower today than at the time.

[–] UndercoverUlrikHD@programming.dev 17 points 6 months ago (2 children)

What's up with that one bad episode in season 6?

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 28 points 6 months ago

Episode called "Another Simpsons Clip Show"

After reading The Bridges of Madison County, Marge decides that she and Homer need to teach the kids about romance. Each of the Simpsons (using clips from previous episodes) reminisce about past romantic encounters, leaving them all depressed and believing that love does not work. However, Homer saves the day by pointing out that one relationship has succeeded, his and Marge's.

[–] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago (3 children)

What happened at episode 23.22?!

[–] Jourei@lemm.ee 12 points 6 months ago

That indeed is interesting, had to look it up. Episode Lisa goes Gaga, Lady Gaga guest starring the episode perhaps warranted the 38% of one point ratings. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt2403733/

[–] VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago

Looks like Lady Gaga randomly popped up to boost Lisa's spirits when she became literally the least popular person at school.

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[–] fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 14 points 6 months ago

Would love to see this mapped to who the primary writers and producers are on each episode. I wonder if there are patterns.

[–] Setiyeti93@lemmy.ca 14 points 6 months ago (4 children)

A very nice wave seeing the series decline... The only problem with it is it seems a little skewed to have 5.5 in strong red...

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[–] Des@hexbear.net 12 points 6 months ago (3 children)

my pirate collection stops exactly at season 9

i guess i can now call it my "criterion collection of the simpsons yaaaar"

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[–] SuddenDownpour@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

The Simpsons started as a parody of the (back then) dominant family sitcom that reinforced traditional values, where the family is led by a wise man who maintains the family and everyone else follows along in a traditional patriarchal hierarchy. Once that era got buried and they swallowed the thing they were mocking, The Simpsons slowly became self-referential, which made it a much harder show to write.

[–] Burghler@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Why was 9/11 such a poorly rated episode in an otherwise solid season. Hmmm πŸ€”

[–] habitualcynic@lemmy.ml 8 points 6 months ago

It’s a clip show episode musical without the normal effort they put into clip shows like the self-aware 138th episode spectacular in season 7 episode 10.

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[–] Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Losing a point or two over decades isnt bad entropy.

If copyright protection legnth wasn't so insane, the Simpsons could be in the public domain soon (if not already) and others could take up the quest for better simpson episodes.

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