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Gossip posts go in c/gossip. Don't post low-hanging fruit here after it gets removed from c/gossip
I know I'm not in trouble, but I do feel bad that I'm probably the reason blahaj.zone will defederate with hexbear. I just thought they had an insane take on what hexbear was and posted it in the_dunk_tank. I included a link because I am not a 
but also I am a and so are all of you and I'm sorry for that as well.
lol, i saw that. they were describing this place as an alt right instance and believed our pronouns were all ironic.
definitely feeds into the trope that liberals are baffled by positions outside the window of their indoctrination and the first impulse of many is to try to cram into one of the two slots that exist in their worldview.
"post-colonial theory"
"is this right wing propaganda?"
They took issue specifically with "Death to NATO" and when people explained that meant the dismantling of NATO, they changed it to "Death to People of NATO" which isn't even a thing!
this is Natonian erasure.
At that point, they're just operating in bad faith. If they insist on not sitting in the cool kids' table, that's on them. We shouldn't waste any more time in coddling their feelings.
I’ve been arguing with a user on .world about how hexbear is not transphobic and the pronouns aren’t “blatant mockery of trans people”. When I told them they were wrong, they said hexbear is “typical online terrorists”, putting the pronouns then going around posting “racist, bigoted” stuff. I’m waiting for proof of such posts. 😋
I keep hearing the "racist bigoted" line and I just don't get it. Hexbear is the most strict online community I've been in when it comes to that sort of thing. Our users are open and welcoming, our mods are lethal.
Some of them a lying. Some of them think "anglos" or 
are racism against whitey. I'm surprised we haven't had our burning flag emojis as evidence of anti-Swiss 
bigotry or whatever.
Yea, I’m not sure where it’s coming from because I haven’t seen it. I also linked to the Hexbear code of conduct and highlighted the first two rules.
Tbh, I was not sure about Hexbear when federation started, but I never got the impression that anyone was bigoted or racist. Like there’s literally all the pride hexbear icons, right?
I feel like these comments are either intentionally malicious or intentionally ignorant assumptions.
We love our LGBTQ+ comrades over here!
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I saw that (gay?) cat on Place! Where’s it from?
I honestly don't know, but you might be able to ask the person who requested it here https://hexbear.net/post/344477
It's possible they're one of those vaush-brained clowns who genuinely believe that "anti-white racism" is a real problem, and they saw one of us making a joke about "crackers" or whatever lol
lol, they could at least come up with an actual reason about muh authoritarian tankies instead of straight up lying
Blahaj was always going to defed us. From the beginning they were more committed to the red scare stuff than even /r/196 was.
i mentioned this wayyy back in my comment history, but am too lazy to dig it up.
don't sweat it if you end up being the excuse for them. This was all predetermined.
It's weird because I seen some Blahaj users who seem to be pretty alright.
They are. People here shit on them and the 196ers, but there are some genuinely good and funny people there. The shitposty culture is pretty compatible with hexbear.
It's more of a mod culture thing where they allow constant posts about routing out the red menace, but when you speak up and mention that kind of posting is meant to break movements, you're a "tankie."
I just hope, over time, the funny people will start to get sick of the tankie paranoia, and come chill in our cozy unity space.
the 196 mods are very bad, the admin is also not great but less explicitly anticommunist. The users are mostly not so bad.
I saw one defending hexbear on a .world post complaining about hexbear. Also, aren’t they the ones hosting one of the piracy communities that .world defederated from? Yes piracy, no socialism?
Yes piracy, no socialism?
Most coherent lib worldview
I'm pretty frustrated that the admin of the instance thinks we're brigading. An admin should know that we're getting their posts in our feed because we're federated. We are just a big instance and we overwhelm the level of activity they're used to seeing when it comes into our feed.
I am wondering if lemmy sorts content in a way that's causing this situation though. Maybe it considers a post more interesting if it gets more activity than a typical post on their instance. So as soon as it appears on hexbear, the score on the post goes way way up and it gets pinned on hexbear for a long time.
I'm betting your theory is right. I think we're a lot more active than the rest of the fediverse and I didn't expect that. I thought we had a nice quiet little community over here lol
She sees any dunk tank post of content on their instances as inherently brigading, is my interpretation
But I queried the API, before the dunk tank post went up the comments on that post were already 1/3 hexbear users. Now its about half. So while it probably had an impact it wasn't like nobody here was going to see the original post, regardless of it containing bad takes that got it featured in the dunk tank
Though honestly I'm fine with, and actually would suggest
not posting at all in meta discussions on other servers, at least until lemmy implements the ability to have local-only comms, which I think we would also appreciate here, and
not linking to dunk tank content on federated servers. If it comes up in people's feed it's fair game, and if people want to tear their arguments to shreds in the dunk tank, fair game, but we don't need to encourage actual brigading by providing a direct link, as a show of mutual respect for instances we fed with.
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And yes, lemmy's dogshit Active algorithm is a struggle session factory, it's truly bad.
All this federation/defederation drama is nothing but bad faith. Our emotes are too big, bRiGadInG, wishing death to the people of NATO, blah blah blah. Let me ask a question. Why do all these instances that had already defed from lemmygrad chose, for a time, to federate with us despite us being far more active with giant emotes and so on?
It has nothing to do with giant emotes and everything to do with ideology. Lemmygrad's explicit ideology is ML, meaning there's little harm in an instance that doesn't subscribe to ML defedding the instance. "We are X while they are Y, so we are defedding from them due to ideological differences." But Hexbear's party line is left unity, meaning there's a place here for everyone who professes a form of leftism with the caveat that they aren't patsocs or anarcho-Bidenists. They can't openly defed from us due to ideological differences because as liberals, they fancy themselves as part of the left, meaning it would be strange if a so-called progressive instance would defed from a left unity instance due to ideological differences. This is open admittance that they are not actually part of the left. We know that libs are not and will never be part of the left, and they cannot cope with that.
So what happens? They federate with Hexbear for a time, fishing for a nonideological reason to defed from us. This is where the crying about giant emotes comes from. Do you think they would actually care about those giant emotes, a technical issue that would be eventually solved, if we had the same exact ideology as them? Do you think they would actually care about brigading^TM^ if we were just some quirky instance that mostly talks about fish and other sea animals?
This is the same exact energy as a supervisor who writes you up because you were 5 seconds late. If you're cool with your supervisor, you could be half an hour late. If you're not cool with your supervisor, you would be written up even if you were already in the office before your shift but your ass isn't in your assigned seat at your exact shift.
This. They are just itching for an excuse. Comes off real strong "no politics in my video games" emergy.
To be fair that mod was saying a lot of awful and untrue stuff about us.
But yeah probably not good to directly link to stuff like that.
I'll be honest, I didn't even think about it. I'm just so used to linking to things in the_dunk_tank that I don't have an account for and can't even comment on lol
Nah, on second thought, fuck 'em, you did the right thing.
That person was slimy as shit and as soon as they got any pushback they started falsely accusing us of brigading.
I got a comment removed for brigading even though I posted it before the dunk thread and also the post was on my front page! I didn't brigade I swear! All I said was "Uh oh we're definitely gonna get defederated then" in response to their "Death to NATO" comments lol
I don't like this idea that we can't dunk on someone because they mod some other instance. No mods, no masters
Also, I stand by this comment
Back in the day, raids were just a fact of Internet life. They raid your forum. You raid their forum. "No BrIgAdErInOs" is literally those "NO RUSH 20" matches because you suck too hard at Starcraft.
And if other mods come in here spouting holocaust denial you better believe I'm going after them.
Fuck it, I was and am very anti federation but it's gonna be okay because it will just be us and lemmygrad in a month anyway, so it'll be fine
I'm pretty sure at least .ml is going to stay federated as well, I've noticed their mods have been removing a lot of the comments we've been dunking on over there and leaving ours up
they would've found some reason to defederate from us anyway so don't worry about it
This. If they can't find a reason, they'll just make one up, as we saw here.
I do take issue with this mod action though, because I commented this comment after finding the thread naturally through the front page of hexbear and linked to it AFTER making the comment
should have removed the comment for being too funny or something cool, now I'm very embarassed
Yeah honestly we just need to not link instances we're fedded in the dunk tank. Just screenshot, or maybe just use the fedilink (the rainbow star thing), so that it's at least extra steps for someone to go there, read the post, copy the link, search it back on hexbear, click on the post, and then comment/"brigade". I don't think that calling out liberalism of other instances is really a bad thing/even brigading, but we should keep the discussion here not in their comments.
Shit we could even start pinging people like we used to back on CTH, but we need to find some way to not blow up every lib post on another instance into a massive struggle session. Better if the discourse happens here on our turf not out there.
Yeah, I think not directly linking to other instances is probably the correct choice going forward. The irony is that I posted it because I wanted to talk about it here and not there, because it was clear there was no getting through to that person.
Also, I want to be slightly fair to myself and say they would have called it brigading regardless. That post was full of hexbears well before my post. Our posting powers are too strong, we need to leave the training weights on in other instances.
Ironically the formatting on this very post over there is totally ruined by the massive LIB emotes. This PR can't get released soon enough , thanks comrade devs
Yeah, I stopped posting emotes in other instances once I realized what it was doing. Or at the very least, I'll spoiler them with a warning that it's gonna be a big emote.
LINK OR YOU ARE A
I WON'T DO IT, I WON'T GET IN TROUBLE AGAIN
Your posting is too powerful. They had to change the rules to contain you. The macabrett rule.
Idk, I feel kinda sad about it, I feel like we kind of fucked up majorly and alienated a lot of their users, when a lot of them were already on our side
I agree that's why I made this post. The humor is me coping with feeling bad.
