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[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 91 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Sure I'd rather vote for someone with Bernie's politics but that's not on the table right now. I'll happily vote for Biden over literal christo-fascism and the destruction of our democracy any fucking time.

[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Yeah, I see it as voting yes on a referendum to actually have a 2028 election.

[–] seaQueue@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I have a feeling that's how all of our elections are going to be from now on.

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[–] hperrin@lemmy.world 83 points 6 months ago (15 children)

Probably ninety percent of those would want to replace any relevant Democrat that made it on the ballet. Big deal. What a useless story.

[–] AbouBenAdhem@lemmy.world 66 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

Yeah, that’s the expected result for any party that isn’t a cult.

If 62% wanted to replace him with the same alternative candidate, that would be significant.

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[–] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago (2 children)

That’s because we don’t respect dance.

Ah five! six! seven! eight!

[–] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 6 months ago

Starting at five? That's too progressive!

Kids these days don't respect a one, a two , a one two three four.

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[–] Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 63 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Replace everyone in the house and senate if youre serious about changing anything

[–] nutsack@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

yea companies do this type of shit all the time

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 40 points 6 months ago (11 children)

Ever see a story in the sidebar, and know before clicking on it who posted it?

[–] odelik@lemmy.today 16 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's a tone thing.

There's a few regular article posters than either post articles with a certain tone to the headline or they editorialize the post title to fit their narrative. It's similar to how you can notice how somebody you're familiar with writes and uses language and can identify potential alt/sock puppet accounts from them.

Due to this I've come to believe that these people are astro-turfers with a disengenous agenda.

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[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 23 points 6 months ago (28 children)

No shit but also why the fuck didn't we primary him?

[–] Nihilistic_Mystics@lemmy.world 15 points 6 months ago (5 children)

People tried. They didn't even come close.

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[–] ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 13 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Because causing division/voter apathy when facing a threat to democracy is a terrible idea

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[–] Ajen@sh.itjust.works 13 points 6 months ago

Ask the DNC.

[–] Phegan@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (9 children)

Democrats no long believe in primaries.

[–] Daft_ish@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

All the way up till 2024 democrats were furiously protecting Biden. Shutting down any critism of him. Now it's election time and all the discussions they refused to have for the last 3 years are at the forefront. Shame they waste their energy defending the presidential elect rather than vetting the better candidates. Like thats never blown up in their faces.

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[–] steakmeoutt@sh.itjust.works 23 points 6 months ago (4 children)

100 percent of return2ozma political posts are attacking Biden.

[–] bobburger@fedia.io 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

If they're not a voter suppressionist trying to get Trump elected they're doing a great pretending to be one.

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[–] ganksy@lemmy.world 19 points 6 months ago

You are a one-trick-pony with the argument in these articles. I'm going to start voting even harder now.

[–] the_post_of_tom_joad@sh.itjust.works 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (5 children)

Geez, i expected more fighting in the comments, but everyone here's just dunking on op and calling them a "bad actor" so I'll start one.

Is there even a single comment about the content of the article? Some of y'all commenting on FUD and OPs contributions should take a hard look at their contribution to both this comment chain, and Lemmy in general. I hope it looks better than what i see.

Anyway, enough of how disappointed i am with you, all of you, and on to the article.

Most of the article is just polling opinions, so not a lot to see, but i thought this part was interesting:

Fewer voters also say “it really matters who wins” the 2024 presidential race compared to those that said the same at this point in the 2020 cycle. Back then, 80 percent of Trump supporters and 77 percent of Biden supporters said the race really matters — but those figures have now dropped to 70 percent each.

This is surprising. I thought most people considered this election even more important than the last!

Is there a record somewhere of "election importance"? How far back does it go? Is this 7-10% drop normal?

By the way OP. As someone often critical of Biden i too get called a russian or chinese tank sometimes, so i feel close to ya. Thanks for contentin' and shit. here's an upvote from me <3

[–] archomrade@midwest.social 13 points 6 months ago (10 children)

I think people forget how significant a moment 2020 felt.

Democrats are in for a rude awakening when the turnout plummets this cycle because normal people don't feel like it's the end of democracy like they do.

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[–] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (17 children)

So there was just a burst of 11 upvotes for this story in 10 minutes, while during the same time period there were 3 downvotes.

I wonder if the same ratio will continue during the next 10-minute window or going forward; my bet is that the ratio will more or less reverse (or more), with downvotes dominating over time. What would cause an unusual number of people to all upvote this story all at once, right after it was posted?

Maybe I am wrong. Let's see.

Edit: I am wrong, I think. Beyond that fact that this post obviously isn't being downvoted heavily now that it's established, I spent a while looking at this question, and I found some things that maybe looked hinky, but nothing outwardly and obviously suspicious. And you can't really tell anything from the behavior right after a post -- it's all noise. After about 30-60 minutes, enough votes have been accumulated that you can say something about it, but before then, all bets are off.

[–] Ledivin@lemmy.world 20 points 6 months ago

That's probably just an ideological breakdown of the 15 people that browse New on Lemmy.

[–] livus@mander.xyz 7 points 6 months ago (5 children)

Honestly, just get yourself an account that allows you to see who votes and vote order, it will save you a lot of paranoia.

3 of the first 11 upvotes are people I recognise and have interacted with. It's obviously not sockpuppets.

If the downvotes I can see, two of the first 3 are people I've recently interacted with as well.

I'm a non-US fediversian and I upvoted it because I thought the headline was funny and because I sympathise with Americans for having to choose between these two old men (who aren't even Bernie Sanders, which would have been more understandable).

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 6 points 6 months ago (4 children)

Yes, lemmy downvotes are a conspiracy to make Biden look bad.

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[–] mlg@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago (2 children)

This community by far has the worst takes on US politics

Even people on the meme sub understand Biden isn't some magical deity who is going to save us from the literal incarnation of satan.

Why are people even remotely surprised the incumbent supporting a genocide is not popular, and that any opposition must be russian trolls or chinese propaganda.

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[–] thisbenzingring@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Not me. Fuck Trump. Biden is a good guy and I would vote for him no matter what but I think the idea of Harris getting to be president because Biden is too old and dies is a win win. So the Biden - Harris ticket is fuck yeah from me.

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 8 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Our primary isn't until next month, it literally means nothing.

[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Democratic primaries have been meaningless since 2012.

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