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No shit but also why the fuck didn't we primary him?
People tried. They didn't even come close.
Seems like they'd have done better with 62% of the voting public behind them.
Trump faced an entire gaggle of conservative opponents and rarely failed to clear the 50% mark by state.
Biden's biggest defeat was to the 20% of voters who cast spoiled ballots in Michigan. Marianna Williamson and Dean Phillips were barely acknowledged.
Even RFK Jr isn't polling at better than 10%.
Who do these people actually want for the position?
Ask the DNC.
Because causing division/voter apathy when facing a threat to democracy is a terrible idea
Lol, it's here now.
Democracy is perfectly fine until my candidate loses, at which point democracy is dead until late September when mid-terms start ramping up, and then suddenly democracy works again and we need to get ready to vote in 2026.
Democracy would be cool with primarying an incumbent president. I checked.
Democracy is perfectly fine until the candidate that loses refuses to accept the results, tries to retain power by force, then continues to try undermine faith in democracy for 4 years and is somehow still the frontrunner for his party.
Sore Lieberman '00
Gore’s VP (Joe)? I don’t remember all of the details, but that was legitimately a contested election by the numbers, not by a sore loser. Won the popular by a decent margin but lost the electoral. It was by a slim enough margin to trigger a recount. As far as contested elections go I thought that could have gone a whole lot worse.
I’m not sure I get the comparison here.
So you can imagine how much worse 2 years of it would be
It’s not though. Even though we’d prefer a different candidate, everyone who isn’t a complete moron has at least agreed that we’re gonna stick with Biden because he’s better than the alternative and it’s not even close.
Democrats no long believe in primaries.
All the way up till 2024 democrats were furiously protecting Biden. Shutting down any critism of him. Now it's election time and all the discussions they refused to have for the last 3 years are at the forefront. Shame they waste their energy defending the presidential elect rather than vetting the better candidates. Like thats never blown up in their faces.
Except for the fact, of course, that the Democrat primaries have never been more democratic. But let's not let the facts or history get in the way of the narrative!
So you are admitting they were previously less democratic and could be more democratic?
I don't know if I would label it "admitting," but rather just being aware of history. Parties didn't start having votes until around WWII, and after all of the hand wringing after the 2008 and 2016 primaries, Democrats voted overwhelmingly to dilute their power even more.
Making 2020 the most democratic primary for Democrats ever.
Did you mean 2024 or are you saying the recent primaries were less democratic (e.g. incumbent advantage).
Didn't really include them because they aren't concluded yet, but the rules have not changed.
Well, I mean it's a lot of effort rigging things so they don't look completely janky. Debbie Whatsername-Smith was done worn out at the end of 2016 making sure it was Her Turn.
Watching the media lose its mind in 2020 when Bernie won Nevada, and candidates abandoning their campaigns like rats fleeing a sinking ship when he won California, really makes me think it was more than just DWS in 2016 fucking with things.
Also, whatever you do, don't google "Shadow Inc Acronym Iowa Primary" or trust anything this news article says about the caucus process because its fine, everything is fine, democracy is actually very healthy and normal in this country, and anyone who says otherwise is a Russian bot.
https://ivn.us/posts/dnc-to-court-we-are-a-private-corporation-with-no-obligation-to-follow-our-rules
Because the unwritten rule is not to run against the incumbent.
That's just not good enough anymore
Because no primary challenger has ever beaten an incumbent for president. It would be a waste of time and money.
So, a bit of history.
https://time.com/5682760/incumbent-presidents-primary-challenges/
Then
Also
It should be noted that Ford nearly lost to Reagan in 1976
And Kennedy nearly beat Carter four years later
In another historic race, William Taft was nearly edged out by Theodore Roosevelt, who went on to place second behind Woodrow Wilson in 1912. That gave Taft the dubious distinction of being the only incumbent to come in at third place in a general election.
62% of the voters seem to think it's a worthwhile endeavor. You're probably right in the sense that democrats couldnt find a progressive candidate if they came up and kicked them in the ass.
The last time the Democrats did that was Ted Kennedy challenging Carter. Even with a historically unpopular president and a well-known challenger he still lost.
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but our government is dysfunctional and incumbents are not successfully primaried.
What was lost if Biden can't get it over the goal line?
Lots of things. That's what we get for having a dysfunctional government. Stop thinking it's going to work effectively: It won't.
.... you're saying things won't work effectively but then claiming to understand exactly how it works. I sense a contradiction.
Your initial question didn't make sense at all because the verb tenses don't agree. I'm just doing my best to attempt to communicate with you.
This was my initial question you AI sounding mfr
What don't you get?
Now who sounds like an AI?
Because that's not how our government really works.
Seems like you understand everything just fine. Still being obtuse but still understand, I guess.
English isn't your first language, right?
So now you're just going with personal attacks. I CONCEDE YOUR POINT IS DEFINITELY VALID NOW.
I'm just having a hard time understanding you. Asking if it's not your first language isn't an attack.
Bite me turd.
Do you mean that I am a turd and should bite you, or are you telling me to bite your turd?
You pick.
According to a Pew Research Poll. Whatever the fuck that means.
Right, I do all my own polling personally.
Heh… well I’m just saying polls are unreliable. I wouldn’t bet the farm on them.
I think these polls and the climate is very telling.