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Fallout: New Vegas & Fallout Television Series (SPOILERS FOR BOTH) (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) by hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works to c/fallout@lemmy.world

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In the sixth episode of the show, we found out about Shady Sands' fall in 2277. Four years before New Vegas starts. This retcons New Vegas. No one in the NCR talks about how their capital got nuked in NV. In the quest You'll Know It When It Happens, the president of the New California Republic visits the Hoover Dam. Why would the president visit the dam after the capital got attacked? Hell, why is the NCR still in the Mojave Wasteland? It doesn't make sense. So yes the show does retcons New Vegas.

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[–] allie@lemmy.mbl.social 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

IGN had an interview with Todd Howard and brought up the confusion and he said the events of New Vegas are canon and that Shady Sands was bombed after 2281. The sign outside Shady Sands in the series also refers to it as the first capital of the NCR, which would imply there's at least one other.

https://www.ign.com/articles/fallout-official-timeline-confirmed-how-the-show-fits-in-with-the-games

[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works -1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Here's the screenshot with nuke on the board. I don't see an date with the bomb. The only date I see is "Fall of Shady Sands 2277" so yeah.

[–] allie@lemmy.mbl.social 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think it's somewhat ambiguous. It lists the fall as 2277, but then there's an arrow to the mushroom cloud. So it doesn't say it was nuked in 2277, but it doesn't actually say when the nuke occurred either. But Todd Howard says New Vegas is canon and the nuke came after, so that pretty much answers the question, doesn't it?

[+] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works -13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

so that pretty much answers the question, doesn’t it?

No. The only date we have is 2277. So based on the info we have right now. Shady Sands got nuked in 2277.

[–] allie@lemmy.mbl.social 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Is that because you don't accept what Todd Howard and Christopher Nolan said about the timeline?

[–] p5yk0t1km1r4ge@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Lol probably. Classic "It's not MY ideal canon, therefore, regardless of official confirmation, I refuse to believe anything else!" fanboy syndrom. I.e. the worst kind of fanboy.

[+] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works -10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

Why not just say it in the show. It will make things so clearer. But no they can't do that. Also in the IGN article, he gives no date. So the only date we do have at this time is 2277.

[–] nublug@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 8 months ago

ok but nobody said in the show that it was nuked in 2277, either. ya'll are upset by your interpretation of a number written on a blackboard by an unknown character.

[–] allie@lemmy.mbl.social 9 points 8 months ago

Okay, fair enough. I do agree it's ambiguous, but I don't draw the same conclusion.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 3 points 8 months ago

A lot of things in the show are ambiguous and only very clear to people who played the games. Please stop with this fake outrage culture.

[–] abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Sorry I'm late to this, but the board suggests the destruction happened some time after 2277, not that it happened in 2277. The fall of shady sands apparently is before the bombing.

New vegas has been confirmed canon by bethesda.

[–] DarkThoughts@fedia.io 4 points 8 months ago

Hell, why is the NCR still in the Mojave Wasteland? It doesn't make sense.

By that logic, why is ANYONE in the Mojave Wasteland?

[–] Cannibal_MoshpitV3@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Maybe if it gets an official remake (now that Bethesda and Obsidian are both owned by Microsoft) they'll fix some errors or retcons

[+] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works -13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

They have to remove the NCR from the game. They be making a new game at that point.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Where does it say the whole NCR is gone overnight in 2077?

The only thing that’s making you think this is a drawing on a blackboard that says shady sands feel in ‘77, and then an arrow pointing later on in time to a mushroom cloud with no date under it.

The NCR was the size of modern day Germany, albeit probably with a smaller population. If Berlin were nuked today, and only Berlin, do you think Germany would just collapse completely within 4 years? They’d just ignore lines of succession and all of their other cities and give up? Why do you think the NCR would just throw in the towel after losing one city.

As for why we don’t see many people besides criminal types, do you expect to see well adjusted people living next to the literal crater that used to be a city? The cast barely covers a few square miles around a recent nuclear disaster, it’s perfectly reasonable that they don’t see a whole lot of government officials and upstanding citizens while trekking through what amounts to a post-post-post apocalypse Chernobyl exclusion zone.

[–] hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works -3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

I'm talking about New Vegas only.

@Cannibal_MoshpitV3 Maybe talking about all of the series on rereading it.

[–] Zron@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago

You said they’d have to remove the NCR if they remade New Vegas.

I just told you why that’s not the case, but you seem hell bent on this idea that the NCR is gone because of the show and all 5 square miles of territory that it showed us.

If you don’t want to listen to other people’s ideas, why make a post about it?