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[–] anders@rytter.me 168 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 324 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (26 children)

So far Spez's legacy includes, in no particular order:

  • Changing other peoples' comments
  • Starting a war with the 3rd party app devs who made reddit the easily accessible platform it is (browsing reddit on the toilet wasn't nearly as common before the first apps came out, and all of the first ones were 3rd party)
  • Being a moderator on the jailbait subreddit, a community for sharing sexually suggestive pictures of underage teenage girls
  • Forcing new moderation teams on communities whose moderation he didn't agree with
  • Straight up lying about the 3rd party apps and their developers every step of the way

Way to go, Steve Huffman! You had a community of volunteers build your platform for you and now you're taking it all away from them. I'm sure this won't backfire.

[–] zombuey@lemmy.world 70 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I posted this previously elsewhere.

The statement from r/watchredditdie when they closed the sub really put things in perspective for me.

Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian have gone so far as to renege on their promise of listing Aaron Swartz among Reddit, Inc’s founders. Such an egregious breach of contract - only performed once their agreed-upon co-founder no longer walked the earth - could only be carried out by immoral individuals acting in fundamental bad faith. In this way and so many others, Reddit is dead.

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[–] Krause@lemmygrad.ml 66 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (15 children)

spez is also a doomsday prepper who dreams about living as some sort of lord in a post-apocalyptic feudal society

β€œBeing around other people is a good thing. I also have this somewhat egotistical view that I’m a pretty good leader. I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.”

https://archive.today/20220703182824/https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/01/30/doomsday-prep-for-the-super-rich#selection-901.0-905.391

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 42 points 2 years ago

I will probably be in charge, or at least not a slave, when push comes to shove.

In a post-apocalyptic world? That skinny nerd (not to be meant as a slur, I myself am a nerd)?

Yeah I sorta doubt that. He'd need to 1) not be an asshat and 2) have a fair bit more physical size, strength and fighting ability

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[–] kadu@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Is your comment threatening him? Why are you blackmailing him, man? How is he going to work together with you now that you've so aggressively threatened him?

Why is your comment so badly coded? I can't help you optimize your comment, Google didn't help me write mine.

[–] zombuey@lemmy.world 51 points 2 years ago

I posted this previously elsewhere.

The statement from r/watchredditdie when they closed the sub really put things in perspective for me.

Steve Huffman and Alexis Ohanian have gone so far as to renege on their promise of listing Aaron Swartz among Reddit, Inc’s founders. Such an egregious breach of contract - only performed once their agreed-upon co-founder no longer walked the earth - could only be carried out by immoral individuals acting in fundamental bad faith. In this way and so many others, Reddit is dead.

[–] lwaxana_katana@beehaw.org 44 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Wow I didn't know he ran r/jailbait. Gross.

[–] democracy1984@lemmy.world 73 points 2 years ago (4 children)

He was forcefully added as a mod on the subreddit. Reddit used to have a system which allowed you to make someone mod without requiring them to accept.

https://www.reddit.com/r/dankmemes/comments/1477psa/comment/jnuy0xf/

[–] Bowen@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago (4 children)

When people add you as a mod, you can still leave. He never did. That subreddit in particular was known to have the blessing of the reddit admins to operate and eventually made 'subreddit of the month'. Then a news org picked up that reddit was hosting this content and then they shut it down.

They were well aware of what was going on. Andrewsmith is right, there is some plausible deniability there, but with the everything else we know about Steve Huffman, I'm not so sure I can agree with his assessment that it was forced upon him.

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[–] kadu@lemmy.world 52 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

While it's certainly better than actively moderating a community...

Is being the admin of a website that actively hosts jailbait and required a massive media outrage to finally remove it that much better? I get free speech and all, but I mean, the subreddit straight up catalogued which pictures were "fap material" and encouraged people (including parents) to take candid photos of the children around them.

A community like that wouldn't last a millisecond in a server I host.

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[–] DarraignTheSane@lemmy.world 152 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I think that anyone who's been around reddit long enough knew this was coming. Reddit isn't a free and open platform, and never was. The admins allowed moderators free reign just so long as they didn't do anything that reddit didn't want.

[–] halfpipe@sopuli.xyz 39 points 2 years ago (8 children)

This wouldn’t be a proper Reddit replacement if an anonymous user didn’t take the time out of his day to type that β€œfree rein” was the correct spelling here

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[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 124 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] SammichParade@vlemmy.net 60 points 2 years ago (3 children)
[–] Aurix@lemmynsfw.com 41 points 2 years ago (10 children)
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[–] smokinjoe@lemmy.world 108 points 2 years ago (21 children)

lmao, good fuckin luck replacing dedicated volunteers with one or two shitty ones obsessed with power

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[–] starrox@sh.itjust.works 82 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Honestly not too surprising. But good luck moderating the bigger subs without the old volunteers.

[–] DreadedChalupacabra@latte.isnot.coffee 46 points 2 years ago (19 children)

It's an absolute non-starter. The amount of random... I'm a medium fish there and there's SO MUCH you have to know to mod a sub, plus you're constantly in PR mode with the users to keep everyone happy and enjoying your work. Communication skills. Bot wrangling and sometimes creation. Automod. Css. Rule modifications. Enforcement and reviewing existing threads for rule violations. PLUS you have to know the existing culture or you're gonna make everyone mad.

I kinda want to see it. Reddit would explode.

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[–] lvxferre@beehaw.org 80 points 2 years ago (6 children)

Everybody knows that it was bound to happen. Reddit is hopeless and the blackout on its own won't do good in the long run.

That's why I'm trying to kick this out:

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 39 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (19 children)

~~If you're EU you can~~ All those in EU can ask reddit for the entirety of your data as a GDPR request, much easier than downloading it yourself, especially since some apps have limits to how many posts they can fetch.

How to request your reddit data

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[–] simple@lemmy.world 72 points 2 years ago (9 children)

They can't just re-open subreddits and expect it to go over smoothly. These subs will collapse without moderators.

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[–] matzah@lemmy.blahaj.zone 69 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Deleted my account, removed Apollo, starting to feel at home on Lemmy. No way I’m going back.

[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 39 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The experience has been a lot smoother than I expected.

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[–] Mentrix@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Is it just me or is this going directly against what Reddit once aimed to be?

Corporations and Shareholders ruin everything

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[–] Soltros@lemmy.world 57 points 2 years ago (6 children)

A lot of these people volunteered their spare time to manage communities for no pay. Wondering how far downhill a lot of these subs will go with Spez putting himself in charge of everything.

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[–] PsychoticBananaSplit@lemmy.world 55 points 2 years ago (13 children)

This is why they need to link an alternative like Lemmy and encourage to share it around.

Reddit doesn't disallow mods from posting "Join us on Discord" and this will create a slow and steady move to a new platform.

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[–] Firebat@lemmy.fmhy.ml 54 points 2 years ago (3 children)

This post seems somewhat disingenuous. One of the mods Cedarwolf posted his side of what happened 2 hours prior to this post appearing, and if we were to believe his side of the story the top mod who hasn't been active for a year just decided to join the blackout against other mods wishes.

Yes, it's two conflicting stories but he claims to have evidence that he's been inactive. Basically, people should look into this more than assume truth in the headline.

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[–] kratoz29@lemmy.fmhy.ml 51 points 2 years ago (2 children)

It feels reassuring being here in Lemmy away of that shit show.

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[–] CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org 47 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (10 children)

They should tread lightly. Reddit in no way has the ability to function (edit: at least on short notice) without volunteer mods. To some degree they can find scabs, but I honestly don't know how many and how good.

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[–] thefloatingpoint@feddit.de 47 points 2 years ago (12 children)

I just returned for a couple of minutes and it’s a fucking shitshow. I don’t know if it has become worse or if it just feels like that because Lemmy is much more friendly, but Reddit seems to be much more toxic right now.

It is also so obvious that people are trying to use this as some kind of coup. Users interact with the thematic, get explained what the blackout is about, just to comment complete bs about it one comment later. They are acting dumb to gain momentum.

I really hope this will end up in a worldpolitics situation.

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[–] roboticide@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (11 children)

Here is some additional context from an actual Mod of AdviceAnimals:

[Deleted]

I've inquired if they're the one that phoned the Admins, but no reply yet. Having a top mod removed due to them unilaterally taking a sub private is not unprecedented, but it is an incredibly rare action.

EDIT: That user has confirmed they did not contact the Admins, and don't know who did, but that is still consistent with actions taken by Admins in the past to remove an absentee top moderator that made a unilateral move more active mods disagreed with.

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[–] Pulsar@lemmy.world 46 points 2 years ago (12 children)

Well here is me abandoning reddit after 10 years. At the end they can do whatever they want with reddit and i can choose in which platform waste my time.

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[–] sparky@lemmy.pt 43 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Fuck Reddit. But honestly I’m less and less invested with each passing day. I re-opened Apollo today and it’s already starting to feel old, foreign. I guess that means Lemmy is home now.

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[–] couragethebravedog@lemmy.ml 42 points 2 years ago

Saw this coming the moment the blackouts were being planned

[–] redballooon@lemmy.world 42 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We can only hope reddit dissappoints their moderators so much they'd rather moderate lemmy communities :)

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[–] _number8_@lemmy.world 41 points 2 years ago

i love that they're making this extreme choice over fucking advice animals which haven't been relevant in literally 10+years

[–] SuperSloth@lemmy.world 40 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Unfortunately, Reddit can just keep doing that as often as they want. Fortunately though, there are few people who will actually be able to do a good job moderating especially for FREE. They will burn through the good candidates and have to rely on unqualified people to do a mediocre job. This will ruin the content quality and eventually kill the sub. So long term we may still win, but short term we will likely see little change. The problem is always the level of involvement of the general public.

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[–] Arystique@beehaw.org 40 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is extremely short-sighted on reddits part, elevating lower mods to leads can cause so much drama in a community particularly when the lower mods don't have experience, the lower mods will probably make basic mistakes that'll turn the average base away from the subreddit.

this is really going to bite reddit in the ass if they try it more its like trying to fix a leak by sticking random objects in the hole

[–] Phileosopher@programming.dev 44 points 2 years ago

This plays out like things I've seen in real life:

  1. Get a community/club/church/workplace going with a good set of leaders.
  2. The system becomes unwieldy through bureaucracy, excessive rules, whatever.
  3. Leadership can't change it, so they storm off in a huff after nobody listens to them.
  4. Power-mongering Assistant to the Regional Manager takes their shot to run the show.
  5. Everything becomes awful.
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