I haven't really come up with anything smart to say about this. Probably because pointing out hypocrisy is pointless most of the time. Like, it doesn't matter, no one cares.

But the 1932-33 Soviet famine (commonly called "The Holodomor") gets all the attention for being a man-made famine. Despite the fact that no legit historians believe this, even those who hate the USSR like Robert Conquest. At the worst, the Soviet leadership and Stalin were slow to act and believe reports on the ground (don't @ me, Stalin and the Soviet leadership admitted this themselves) but once they did understand the problem, the immediately put what resources they could into mitigating the famine. It was an incredible human tragedy, but it wasn't the result of intentional genocide.

Meanwhile right now, in Gaza, there is an UNDENIABLE intentional, artificial famine being conducted on the part of Israel with the full intention of genociding the population. What is happening in Gaza is what libs think happened in Ukraine in the 1930s. And yet, so many Americans are either supportive of the actions being taken, or are at the very least passively supportive of the US' and Joe Biden's role in this intentional famine.

I'm not even sure what to say, it's such a disconnect.

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[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 29 points 8 months ago

The entire point of the Holodomor narrative is "look mommy, he had a Holocaust, too!". Holocaust Trivialization is a form of Holocaust Denial.

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

us-foreign-policy

[–] Tabitha@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

BadEmpanada - The Holodomor Genocide Question: How Wikipedia Lies to You (1:37:17)

Follow-up video (41:54)

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 5 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

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[–] chickentendrils@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Anyone spouting shit about Holodomor has other ideological hangups, nobody cares that much outside of the immediate geographic area.

You have to figure out what part of them still believes that most of this grotesque system of organizing society and economy is worth saving, rather than discarding. It works well for so few people versus what's obviously possible, if the purpose were to reinvest our productivity into quality of life and sustainability.

[–] culpritus@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

First you have to convince them that Isntreal is also 'AuThOrItArIaN' with the treatment of Palestinians. Basically 'both are bad' is the first step. Then you can maybe get them to reassess the context of both separately.

It's tough with all the 'only democracy in the region' propaganda.

It's not apartheid democracy, it's sparkling Zionism.

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Throw in the Bengal famine too. Churchill's quote about that is some indefensible blood-curdling shit.

[–] mortalglowworm@reddthat.com 6 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

~~artifical~~ famine

Fixed it for you:

man-made famine

[–] MayoPete@hexbear.net 2 points 8 months ago

An example of "false witnesses" type propaganda?

https://redsails.org/false-witnesses/#fn:Kerry

Tl;Dr libs call the holodomor a terrible famine and ignore the Gaza famine because that reinforces their core beliefs: Israel good, USSR bad