No thanks China! : memes

[–] HelixDab2@lemm.ee 51 points 8 months ago (6 children)

The fundamental difference is who is in control, and for what purpose.

American spyware is controlled by corporations, and is all about selling you shit you don't need.

Chinese (and Russian) spyware is--apparently--controlled rather directly by their respective governments, and is being used to suppress democracy and increase polarization in the US and EU.

I don't like any spyware. But the latter category--spyware that's functionally state-sponsored--is clearly more immediately dangerous. The former is more like a slow-growing cancer.

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 30 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (9 children)

All of the US corporate social media platforms are part of the US military-industrial-intellegence complex now. Look at their boards of directors and executives. Look at the Twitter Files. Look Hamilton 68.

Look at Reddit:

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TikTok as well. The US already forced them to move their service to the US on an American-owned hosting provider, and they have already put people with a history of aligning with “American interests” into executive positions, like CEO Shou Zi Chew and vice president Michael Beckerman.

They have their eye on the fediverse now: Atlantic Council » Collective Security in a Federated World

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[–] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 15 points 8 months ago

So it's only okay for them to suppress democracy and increase polarization if they use American platforms? Because that's already happening.

[–] Bubs@lemmings.world 13 points 8 months ago

[–] explodicle@local106.com 7 points 8 months ago

I'm not defending China here, but since Snowden we now know that American corporate spyware does serve the government. And they are suppressing democracy - this isn't a democracy yet, and peaceful protests for democracy are met with violent police resistance - Occupy, BLM, etc.

I sincerely hope that Lemmy can grow large enough to serve as a staging ground for democratic protests in America, just because it's not corporate controlled.

[–] Talaraine@fedia.io 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The former is more like a slow-growing cancer.

One that we can actually fight, I might add, and we should.

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[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

My main reason is I'm an American, China (probably) can't do shit to me. But here I'm subject to so much shit America can do legally and illegally, with zero repercussions.

If China fucked me in particular over, odds are it would at least spark debate here. If America spied on my messages and stopped me from protesting something, that's just a Tuesday afternoon here.

The only reason why Congress wants to ban it, is due to pressure from news agencies and the government, because TikTok can't be controlled by the CIA. You can't manufacture consent of the people if the content comes from someone else you don't control.

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1237501725/house-vote-tiktok-ban

They'll ban tiktok but won't punish overly aggressive police.

They'll ban tiktok but won't make food or rent affordable.

They'll ban tiktok but won't denounce Israel's bullshit.

They'll ban tiktok but won't cancel student loans.

They'll ban tiktok but won't take Covid seriously.

[–] Zuberi@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 8 months ago

Fucking preach

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[–] Nakoichi@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Honestly way less afraid of China snooping on my data than US corporations. Only one of those groups regularly colludes with the FBI/CIA/other three letter agencies.

[–] NuclearDolphin@lemmy.ml 22 points 8 months ago

only one can send armed goons to my house too

[–] Shake747@lemmy.dbzer0.com 26 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Hah! yeah

How does Microsoft always fly under the radar?

[–] davel@lemmy.ml 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)

2013: Microsoft handed the NSA access to encrypted messages

Microsoft has collaborated closely with US intelligence services to allow users' communications to be intercepted, including helping the National Security Agency to circumvent the company's own encryption, according to top-secret documents obtained by the Guardian.

The files provided by Edward Snowden illustrate the scale of co-operation between Silicon Valley and the intelligence agencies over the last three years. They also shed new light on the workings of the top-secret Prism program, which was disclosed by the Guardian and the Washington Post last month.

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[–] heavy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

For fun context, Google "Microsoft Vortex Service"

[–] tiredcapillary@iusearchlinux.fyi 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm not big of a fan of Chinese surveillance but to most peoples point that have already posted here, if this was about privacy then the government should be passing laws to protect consumer privacy as a whole and not just targeting Chinese companies. Really shows that the government doesn't give a shit about your privacy just who's able to get it.

[+] qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website 8 points 8 months ago (6 children)

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[–] BeamBrain@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago

Hey, what happened at Standing Rock?

[–] queue@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

https://www.npr.org/2024/03/13/1237501725/house-vote-tiktok-ban

Advocacy groups, including the American Civil Liberties Union, have called the bill "censorship plain and simple," arguing that "jeopardizing access to the platform jeopardizes access to free expression."

At 27 years old, Florida Democratic Rep. Maxwell Frost is the youngest member of Congress, and he opposes the bill.

"I think that it is a violation of people's First Amendment rights," he said. "TikTok is a place for people to express ideas. I have many small businesses in my district and content creators in my district, and I think it's going to drastically impact them too."

The fact that Republicans started it is enough for me to be at least suspicious of why its even being considered.

EDIT: Also lol at "strong first amendment rights" when redneck states ban any books with queer or black characters. And lmao at "Strong first amendment rights" when people get fired for talking about forming a union, let alone even trying to make one.

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[–] peepee_longstonking@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 6 points 8 months ago

The concern about TikTok acquiring your private information for marketing purposes is a red herring. The concern of our government here is propaganda and narrative control -- power.

[+] Pietson@kbin.social 6 points 8 months ago (5 children)

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[–] wildbus8979@sh.itjust.works 12 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Remind me again who was wiretapping Merkel's cell phone? China right? Oh wait no sorry, it was the USA.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/jul/08/nsa-tapped-german-chancellery-decades-wikileaks-claims-merkel

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[–] davel@lemmy.ml 11 points 8 months ago

Vibes-based threat modeling, a classic.

[–] yogthos@lemmy.ml 7 points 8 months ago

looks like US propaganda machine is working smoothly in Europe

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[–] hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 8 months ago (7 children)

Fuck the USA and fuck China. Spyware sucks no matter where it's from.

[–] Trarmp@feddit.nl 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Common "both-sides" fence sitter L

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

A whole lot of censoring on these posts on lemmy.ml

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