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[–] sammer510@hexbear.net 68 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Every time I see the "Palestinians aren't real before X date" discourse mentioned I will bring up the fact that my grandfather was born in Jerusalem in 1930 and on his birth record it lists his father's nationality as Palestinian. In 1930. Fucking Zionists

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I'm Turk, though not Palestinian.

Fuck Zionism!

[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

The fact you say that reminds me of that song "Mudzahedin je turski sin..."

Although I think replace "mudzahedin" with fedayeen and "Bosno" with Falastin and it should be fine...

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I recognize the reference, but unfortunately, I never, err, learned Turkish to my chagrin (and I forgot Spanish when I was young).

I'm Turkish and Latino, but never kept the languages... 😢

(Anyway, I'm hoping to re-learn Spanish and trying my hand at it right now.)

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)

my first language isn't English but struggle to speak whole sentences in my mother tongue just because I haven't spoken it in only 5 years. I forgot literally all the vocab and only remember the grammar ooooooooooooooh

fucking British colonized my brain

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[–] SoyViking@hexbear.net 67 points 8 months ago (2 children)

That's Holocaust denial levels of malicious absurdity. Palestinians? A myth, the KGB made them up. That giant pile of bodies over there? It's nothing, don't worry about it.

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 37 points 8 months ago

Palestine isn't real. It was created by the bad guys from the movie 300 in order to trick King Leonidas into becoming woke.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

I don't really get the point of Palestinians as an invented identity because it is irrelevant. Even if it is the truth, there are still a system of apartheid in place, an identity (in this case Arabs) forced on Palestinians by the Israeli Regime. The label doesn't change the the fact there is systematic oppression of a group.

In other point of view, if the ''Palestinian'' identity is invented, shouldn't the Israeli system stop to exist and try to build a more inclusive society?

I also head the argument of Palestinians identity is just Arabs with a history of oppression that differ them from the rest of the Arabs; therefore, it's not real (and they don't deserve rights/recognition????). However, the State of israel doesn't survive this argument neither as Zionism is a building of a jewish and in general eurocentric identity piggyriding on the horror of the holocaust.

[–] HumanBehaviorByBjork@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

it's a case where Zionism's ideological justification becomes a liability. under a secular humanist worldview, all human beings have certain rights which must be respected and upheld. but for the ethnonationalist, people don't have rights, only peoples do, and in particular peoples which have proved themselves by forming modern, nominally independent nation states with powerful military forces.

another result of this is how it filters the catalyst for Israel's formation, the Nazi Holocaust. to the Zionist, if Jews aren't allowed to forge their own state through blood and soil, to consecrate leviathan with a period of mass killings of indigenous peoples like the other western powers, then there's no way to say that the Holocaust wasn't in some sense justified. they really do believe that Europe is for (white, Christian) Europeans, and therefore Israel must be for (white, Jewish) Israelis.

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[–] SorosFootSoldier@hexbear.net 40 points 8 months ago (3 children)

You fool, you buffoon, can't you see that Putin invented Palestine?!

[–] Erika3sis@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The ancient Palestinian creation story states that in the beginning, when a being known as "Bouteen" hardened his heart and increased his attacks, he banished a woman named "Ukraneya" to live with a man named "Falasteen". The Palestinians are the descendants of these two.

[–] Kaplya@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago (1 children)

There is even a popular Palestinian folk song narrating this story. History deniers in shambles.

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[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Xx_Aru_xX@hexbear.net 9 points 8 months ago

it's why they attacked on his birthday

[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 38 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Some kind of...Palestineo-Bolshevism, you say?

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

What are we, some kinda KGB squad?

[–] Gorillatactics@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago (2 children)

First Ukraine was invented by Lenin, now Palestinia was invented by the KGB. The USSR invented some crazy shit.

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago (1 children)

USSR stands for Ukub Soviet Socialist Republic actually

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[–] sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 26 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This isnt real. Im shoving my head in the sand rn. Its not real

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 26 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

This is not a meme, btw.

[–] Owl@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Lol Israel, just because your idols blamed everything on Bolshevik conspiracies, doesn't mean you have to too. The Soviet Union has been gone for decades.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 12 points 8 months ago

Yeah, Israel, yeesh, can't y'all be creative for once?

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 25 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What even are philistine and syria palaestina anyway

[–] zifnab25@hexbear.net 16 points 8 months ago

slapping my copy of The Book of Joshua and thumbing to the pages detailing the Battle of Jericho

Bet you'll never guess who came up with this stuff.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Lemmygradwontallowme@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

Marxist-Philistinism... created by Kautsky and the other rags of the time, Rabocheya mysl and dyelo

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[–] GlueBear@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Zionists, and I cannot stress this enough, are just as bad if not worse than neo-nazis.

Were the Nazis this dumb? I mean they're both malicious and evil but atp I feel like the Nazis had a more "grounded" view of the world than Zionists.

Zionists just gaslight the fuck out of anyone and everyone.

[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 28 points 8 months ago

Frankly, the Nazis were plenty dumb and buffoonish when you look back on them; there are a lot of documentaries, books, scholarly studies, etc. that kinda document their buffoonery.

Not to detract from the fascism of the Zionists here, mind you!

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 19 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Eh, it's apples an oranges.

Both are fruit but of a different flavor.

Nazis had a fucking college to study Odin, and not in like a folklore way like they tried to prove Odin was real.

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[–] Torenico@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Nazis are pretty dumb yeah, you see the entire Nazi war effort in WW2 is very... Nazi-like. They took power in Germany and in mere years they invaded everyone they could without doing the preparations needed for it but don't worry because my superior ideology and race will make up for the economic and military shortcomings, also I have BIG PANZER and BIG KANONE which will make the enemy tremble before us. When you read about their actions in the war, their planned offensives, their economic policies in wartime and stuff, you see Nazism leaking through the gaps. It's really stupid and lacks logic, like believing they would defeat the USSR in one or two months because "subhuman slavs", or how the Jews controlled the world despite being the "inferior race".

The special type of dumb Nazi is the one who believes in the occult, in the Thule Society (which predates proper Nazism but many original Nazis were heavily influenced by it), the Black Sun and shit like that. In other words, those who joined the SS not for military reasons but for political-mysticist reasons, because they liked to hear Himmler preach about esoteric shit or something. That's a special kind of dumb nazi, weebs for everything Nordic but heavily twisted to fit their Nazi identity. Curiously enough, Hitler wasn't interested in this crap, he used to ignore Himmler when he spoke about these societies and shit. This kind of belief system is what constitutes the core of many neo-nazi groups today, which is interesting to say the least. For example, see the neo-nazis opearting in Ukraine right now, they all recycled these old and quite niche symbols like the Black Sun or the SS-like runes. Do they truly believe in secret societies and stuff? I don't know, but the fact these symbols and meanings managed to survive the entire post-war era and find their way into modern nazis is interesting, and certainly contributes to them not being the smartest bunch of people.

[–] Tachanka@hexbear.net 24 points 8 months ago (2 children)

this is so easy to refute; like just consult an etymology dictionary.

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[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

Specifically by infamous KGB agent Dr. Yakubski

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 23 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

Mohsen was a pan-Arabist. him being part of the PLO doesn't make him the spokeman of all the organization and ideologies within the PLO umbrella

The quoted comment was on how there is a need to bridge the differences between the Arab nations. This is just out of context baking, stupidity or both.

You can make the same comment on the State of Israel is invalid because the ancient Jewish state is biblical at most as the most probable history is that they were mostly farmers who managed to adapt cultures from the neighboring superpowers as the changing of hands happens throughout antiquity and the statement in the ancient testament is nationalistic baking after the enslavement and exile by Babylonians

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[–] ChairmanSpongebob@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Pluto@hexbear.net 11 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] Smeagolicious@hexbear.net 7 points 8 months ago

Palestine got aid from the DPRK in the form of Juche Necromancers

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 21 points 8 months ago (4 children)

White people invented by Yakub

[–] FunkyStuff@hexbear.net 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)
[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago

Yakubian bots trying to suppress the truth again

[–] FlakesBongler@hexbear.net 13 points 8 months ago

You will never take my Bleach Demons away from me

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[–] grandepequeno@hexbear.net 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Israel: The KGB invented Palestinians so as to render debate IMPOSSIBLE

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[–] Evilphd666@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 children)

To be a fly in the room when they workshop obvious cartoon villian bullshit.nineteeneightyfour

Were the Nazis even this brazen?

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[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 14 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Cool. Let's assume that stupid bullshit is true (it isn't). You still don't get little a genocide as a treat.

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