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I’m an Iranian immigrant. You really just need to remind her of the benevolence of the west. Austria, France, and the USA showed my family clemency and grace. Austria and France let them in as refugees, the US gave them citizenship. They’re successful business owners. I’m in law school and work for the CA legislature. This kind of success story does not exist outside of the west. Seriously, immigrants have no better choice than a western country, and that’s where my loyalty lies because of the huge chance and opportunity the west gave my family.

I find it fascinating how every single time it is the exact same arguments, same wording, same tactics.

The only acceptable topic is the genocide perpetrated by the Oppressor on the Oppressed If you bring up any other topic, ask any question, anything at all, you don't think Palestinians are people It is like you, and her, are reading from the exact same ideological manual. it is scary.

Liberals really struggle with moral consistency.

It "sounds like we're reading from the same manual" because it's the natural reaction to a fucking genocide.

It's the same arguments and wording because it's 100% correct and it's all that should be needed.

Very nuanced, not-at-all-racist liberals pretending PoC only care about Palestine because of "tribalism" and not because it's genocide.

I’m an Iranian immigrant. You really just need to remind her of the benevolence of the west.

lmaooooooooooo

My friend of Algerian descent is getting radicalised, fast, and I don't know what to do

Neolib's friend go on Chapo

I have a very educated Palestinian colleague who on October 9th was talking to me about Apartheid states and European (sole!) responsibility for Hamas' acts of 'defence'.

Some of these things are as built into people as allegiance to a football team.

He's very educated, and a Palestinian. Hmmm... Time to discard his opinion!

Same. A lot of my Muslim friends are completely off the rails now. The post Oct 7 reaction is shocking honestly.

Of course, those who strongly oppose genocide and reject the system responsible are off the rails.

But the smug, suburbanite neoliberals endlessly denying, normalizing, or defending the genocide on reddit are practically glued to the rails.

And the thing is, Bernie endorsed POTUS a long time ago, but you'd be forgiven for forgetting that given how rabid some of his followers still are.

lmao

When you define the world into oppressor and oppressed and justify anything the oppressed do against the oppressor you’re going to manufacture this type of insanity. This philosophy has become extremely common in US higher education, unsurprised to see it growing elsewhere too.

This doesn’t really explain it though. Jews have been the group that has most consistently been oppressed throughout world history.

Hmmm perhaps there's something going on here that you're failing to grasp

It is getting genuinely scary, I am pretty sure that if a politician was attacked or killed

Oh no, not the politicians!

Neoliberals are creepy to me. It's unfathomable to me that you could have this reaction to a genocide and to other people caring about it.

Surreal in a sense since so much shit happens in Syria and I doesn't even register

Is there such a thing as a Freudian typo?

But she is getting obsessed with her "Algerian identity", talking about how "look what the French did to my people", when she is of French nationality.

Ah yes, because citizenship should blind one to what their country did to their people, and in living memory no less. Also the slaughter of peaceful French Algerian protesters by a chief of police who served in Vichy France.

Tbh, and this may be an unpopular opinion, but just remain their friend and don’t get involved discussing these issues and show them love. Just say you disagree if they bring up politics.
I have a friend who is a Twelver Shia who idolises Soleimieni. We just don’t discuss these things and remain good friends. If you want to change their mind, it is more likely their mindset will shift if they are close to someone who thinks different.

Would you say the same thing about a neo Nazi?

The answer has to be yes. [some shit about the bible]

This is the problem with liberals lol. They’ll know someone they disagree with on such a fundamental level, but they’re too much of a birch to confront them

Your friend needs a life. Join a gym with her, start a running club, get her a Switch, get her obsessed with something besides social media.

Have you thought about play vibeo gameos so ur friend don't think abt her current country's destruction and immiseration of her natal country and possibly her growing self awareness that but for a few lucky breaks she would probably be on the business end of the extractive apparatus she currently benefits from?

this woman sounds cool as shit hopefully we'll see her around here once she ghosts this asshole

also once again im reminded why i think this tiktok ban might actually go through this time. it's because of palestine, not "muh evil ccp brainwashing"

Not everything a resistance movement does is justifiable. But if you’re more concerned about them and not the fact that they’re fighting back an oppressive force, then you’re probably an inhumane Nazi who supports the oppressive force. They literally did this with Ukraine, and I would say that situation was more “complicated” compared to Palestine and Israel where the situation is much clearer. But no. Palestinians’ complexion is too olive. You need nooooance

I’m interested to know how many of these POC are actually friends with the neoliberals vs. if the neoliberals are delusional and think these people still like them vs. the neoliberals not revealing their demonic faces because they know they would immediately be ostracized

Every single one of these people has a monocle and it is currently popping out in shock

Wonder how many of these "radicalization bad" people will say "war is war, vote joe baidn" when you bring up 30,000 civilians murdered in less than half a year. God forbid a resistance group fights back 😔

God wtaf are those comments.

Those aren't real people, I refuse to believe they aren't bots.

Have you considered the fact she has grown up her entire life in countries that are NOT welcome to her?

Since 7th October, we have been bombarded with footage of cities being flattened, hundreds of thousands of people being displaced, towns in the West bank that were mentioned in the Bible get flattened and replaced with condominiums and refugees running towards the first food they have seen in weeks get shot at by machinegun and drones.

All this death and destruction, and its constantly just explained as Necessary, or that the killings were justified.

Algerian colonial history can be summed up as the French not seeing the Local Arab population as human beings. This Dehumanised view leads to treatment that is utterly indifferent to suffering at best and sadistic at worst.

Now we are watching the same attitudes and actions happen again in real time.

-24 votes

(Response from the OP)

She has grown up in countries much more welcome to her than Algeria, where being Bi is literally illegal, where women have fewer rights, where atheists basically don't exist in public, where activists like her are routinely abused and killed.

Algerian colonial history? Sure. But it's been 60 years now of brutal conservative autocracy, and that's Algeria, too.

42 votes

Response from the poster I originally quoted above:

Makes you wonder what sort of place Algeria would be if it was a French colony for over a century.

We can talk about all the terrible things France did to oppress, exterminate, and abuse Algerians during that period and you might shrug it off as "thats in the past, we dont do that now", but then you look at what is going in in Gaza and its the same sort of violence, the same mass displacements, and the same seizures of wealth and land by the powerful from people who have lived there for thousands of years,

-14 votes

Yup, I'm glad I left reddit.