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[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 36 points 8 months ago (16 children)

Mam, I wish geopolitics was as simple as you "genocide joe" bros seem to think it is.

This is actually huge and we should be celebrating it as a win. We'll that's if you actually care about the people of Gaza and don't just want to use them as an excuse to attack Biden.

[–] cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 15 points 8 months ago

the "genocide joe" people are pretty much the same as the people attacking dr. fauci for pushing vaccines, tbh

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)
[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

So you think if Biden was so inclined to he could just say "no more support for Israel" and everyone would just happily go along with it because he's president and everyone has to do what he says?

Or would an administration with no majority in either the senate or the house maybe have trouble going against decades of policy and doctrine, to abandon its closest ally in an incredibly unstable and important region and put at risk American political and corporate interests in the area?

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[–] plz1@lemmy.world 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Did they find oil in Gaza? /s

But for real though, if/when Israel bombs a US-built humanitarian shipping port, will the US finally stop supplying bombs?

[–] ZK686@lemmy.world 15 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is so silly. This is just Biden trying to keep both sides of his own party happy....

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago

It’s a bold move Cotton, let’s see if it pays off for him.

[–] harderian729@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Learning the history behind this conflict has made me reach the conclusion that the only way for it to be resolved is for Zionists to return the land they've stolen.

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[–] febra@lemmy.world 9 points 8 months ago (20 children)

Just stop Israel and the problem is solved. No need to complicate yourselves with a damn port.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

"We are not waiting on the Israelis"

Also

The scheme will take several weeks to put into action, however, carrying the risk of supplying too little relief, too late.

Someone tell Biden that if he actually wants to do something he has a few aircraft carriers and frigates nearby perfectly capable of delivering food

Or maybe Biden doesn't want to do anything. He just wants to make it look like he does something. Wonder which it could be.

[–] gmtom@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

You people are actually braidead.

Please tell me how a frigate, nevermind a fuckjng aircraft carrier can deliver supplies without a fuckjng port to dock in?

[–] homura1650@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The big ship stays in the water, and is used to supply smaller water craft that can ferry them directly to the coast; either by using smaller existing docks, or by simplying beaching on the cost. Unless we are saying that the US military lacks the ability to do a water based ground attack unless the enemy kindly leaves a port for them to use.

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[–] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (6 children)

Aircraft carriers actually have a lot of storage space since they have to be able to cruise around for a long time without resupplying. They have many "smaller" boats surrounding them which can easily transport food if they used their life boats.

If there''s a will there's a way. People are actively dying of starvation.

Waiting multiple weeks to build a pier for "clean delivery" is what I would use the adjective in your comment for.

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[–] jet@hackertalks.com 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Israel already blocks all ship based access to Gaza. Building a port won't change this

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)

I double dog dare Israel to try and stop a US Navy relief mission.

It does make one wonder why they didn't just land at Gaza's actual seaport.

Entirely possible you just can't anymore.

[–] agitatedpotato@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

They shoot their own hostages in what seems like remenants or revival of the hanibal directive. It'd be foolish to assume they wont bite the hand that feeds, especially when they get away with everything they do. Why would Israel expect consequences?

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[–] homura1650@lemm.ee 4 points 8 months ago

But having the US navy run it might. Essentially, it becomes a question of who blinks first. Humanitarian organizations run away scared when the regional power starts dropping bombs and shhoting at them; and Israel knows it.

Picking a fight wirh the US military is a much bigger deal. This is why the US response to conflicts is often just "send in an aircraft carrier to float around near the issue"

[–] Mr_Blott@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

This is a moment for American leadership

Oooooooh shiiiit we know how this plays out

Still, at least the Palestinians have a shot at winning this one then 😂

[–] raynethackery@lemmy.world 4 points 8 months ago

Where is Meggido, again?

[–] TokenBoomer@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] OsaErisXero@kbin.run 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I mean, it probably won't be worse then the status quo

[–] Zehzin@lemmy.world 10 points 8 months ago (1 children)

We say that every time and every time it gets worse

[–] nac82@lemm.ee 3 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

WW2 Nazi Germany. America and the Allies stopped the Holocaust.

You can say we've fucked a lot of our military interventions up, but we have stopped genocide before.

[–] DarkMessiah@lemmy.world 3 points 8 months ago (6 children)

Yeah, our ancestors stopped genocide during World War 2. And then other ancestors tried to engage in genocide against Vietnam. And now we’re only just starting to attempt to convince Israel to not do genocide. So the record currently stands 1-1, with the current one being the tiebreaker.

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[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 8 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


US forces will build a temporary port on the Gaza shoreline in the next few weeks to allow delivery of humanitarian aid on a large scale, Joe Biden will announce in the State of the Union speech.

This is a moment for American leadership,” a senior US official said on Thursday, reflecting growing frustration of what is seen in Washington as Israeli obstruction of road deliveries on a substantial scale.

“Tonight, the president will announce in his State of the Union address that he has directed the US military to undertake an emergency mission to establish a port in Gaza, working in partnership with like minded countries and humanitarian partners,” the official said.

In his State of the Union speech, Biden will also announce the opening of a new land crossing into the occupied and devastated coastal strip.

Biden has been fiercely criticised within his own party for the failure to open up Gaza to humanitarian aid, with a famine looming and 30,000 Palestinians dead already since the start of war on 7 October.

“We will coordinate with the Israelis on the security requirements on land and work with the UN and humanitarian NGOs on the distribution of assistance within Gaza,” a senior official said.


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