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So after we've extended the virtual cloud server twice, we're at the max for the current configuration. And with this crazy growth (almost 12k users!!) even now the server is more and more reaching capacity.

Therefore I decided to order a dedicated server. Same one as used for mastodon.world.

So the bad news... we will need some downtime. Hopefully, not too much. I will prepare the new server, copy (rsync) stuff over, stop Lemmy, do last rsync and change the DNS. If all goes well it would take maybe 10 minutes downtime, 30 at most. (With mastodon.world it took 20 minutes, mainly because of a typo :-) )

For those who would like to donate, to cover server costs, you can do so at our OpenCollective or Patreon

Thanks!

Update The server was migrated. It took around 4 minutes downtime. For those who asked, it now uses a dedicated server with a AMD EPYC 7502P 32 Cores "Rome" CPU and 128GB RAM. Should be enough for now.

I will be tuning the database a bit, so that should give some extra seconds of downtime, but just refresh and it's back. After that I'll investigate further to the cause of the slow posting. Thanks @veroxii@lemmy.world for assisting with that.

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[–] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 164 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] rarkgrames@lemmy.world 132 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 48 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)
[–] ndr@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (2 children)

this is very Reddit-y of you

[–] Ataraxia@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] RamesesKnibs@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (2 children)
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[–] rarkgrames@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I will add, joking aside, that Ruud is doing a bloody good job (sorry, I don't know yet how to tag a user).

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

@rarkgrames@lemmy.world type the @ symbol and first few letters. a drop down menu should appear. it might delay by a few seconds.

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[–] redditcandoone@sopuli.xyz 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Didn't realise you could respond with images on lemmy. Smoother jokes than r***it...

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[–] Emerald_Earth@lemmy.world 66 points 1 year ago (1 children)

When a volunteer can run a server better then a big tech company

unsurprising pikachu face

[–] GaryPonderosa@lemmy.world 34 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To be fair the volunteer isn't trying to squeeze value out of the users to inflate his IPO.

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[–] SkidFace@lemmy.world 124 points 1 year ago (13 children)

Like many others, I came from Reddit and was initially hesitant to try it out, but I love this place so much! It really feels like the "worse" parts of Reddit have been skimmed off, and that definitely shows with how nice people seem here! Thank you so much!

[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 26 points 1 year ago

how nice people seem here

yes! I love the culture of this place so far

[–] impulse@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Truth is for me as someone who used Reddit for about the last 16 years, it very much feels like the early days of Reddit again.

Which is a very good thing, because that's what I originally signed up for compared to a metric fuckton of karma farming spam bots.

I just hope it gains enough traction to be sustainable in the long run, especially considering that it's relying on donations for funding, I believe?

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[–] notsorryforpartying@lemmy.world 69 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm not sure how its being done as far as the technical aspects but Ruud has done a great job as admin upgrading the servers to keep up and anticipating the flow of new users.

The same admin also has experience with a mastadon.world server that experienced lots of growth from Twitter users leaving over musk moves. So essentially we have a good admin as far as I can tell and it's not his first rodeo. Part of the reason I chose this server

[–] prototypeByDesign@lemmy.world 21 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm less concerned with the technical aspects and more curious about the long term.

Federated instances, such as lemmy.world, are operated by individuals; What happens if they decide to stop doing so without handing the server/data off to someone else? Do all of our accounts created here disappear? What do other users see if they click through my profile from a post on a different federated server? What happens to all of the content created on the server in question?

[–] stankmut@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It would be gone.

The federated design has got people already thinking about it though. It's inevitable that some instances will just close without notice. So people are trying to figure out the best way to handle it, from archiving/mirroring to creating an export account feature.

[–] Senseibu@feddit.uk 21 points 1 year ago

It’s very early days and the projects will be developed quite extensively I imagine, this is a chance for some people like myself to contribute to new features and make a real impact on its future.

[–] CoolBeance@lemmy.world 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (12 children)

For less tech-savvy newbies (like me), in case there is some confusion affecting your urge to engage/donate... My friend gave me a great explanation:

  • Lemmy the platform is planet Earth

  • “Instances” like lemmy.world, lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, etc. are like the different countries on Earth

  • When someone signs up, the user picks one instance to be a part of, like how an Earthling becomes a citizen of a country

  • If you register at lemmy.world, that means your home instance/ “home country” is lemmy.world, but you can “travel” to lemmy.ml, another instance / “country”, to check out and subscribe to their community

  • When you subscribe to a different instance that’s not your home instance, you can still participate in their content, and other people will be able to see which instance / “country” you’re from

  • Each instance can have its own version of the same “subreddit”, so you can have a c/Memes in your home instance that is different from a c/Memes in another instance. But you can subscribe to both separately

  • c/[community name] is the naming convention used here I think like r/[subreddit name] on Reddit. If talking about a community in a different instance, it's c/[community name]@[instance name] so like c/memes@lemmy.ml

  • Donations will help with the cost of running lemmy.world only and not lemmy.ml, beehaw.org, etc.

Someone please correct any of this if any of it is wrong, I’ll happily edit

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[–] naughty@lemmy.world 27 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I hope not all people will go back to reddit as soon as the communities go public again.

[–] NevermindNoMind@lemmy.world 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The two day blackout was what finally got me to actually look into the fediverse, figure out servers and whatnot, and make an account to try it out. I've been meaning to look into it for a while, but the blackout was the push I needed. I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm far more interested in exploring this exciting new space then I am going back to the garbage filled Reddit, even if they miraculously back down on the API changes .

My reddit account was over 10 years old. This is my first comment on Lemmy/Fediverse.

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[–] Cycrus93@sh.itjust.works 14 points 1 year ago

I will stay here. Did not have this feeling of internet independence for a very long time. I'm done with Reddit.

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[–] ShadowCatEXE@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What's the operating cost? Thank you, for running this server! :)

[–] ericjmorey@beehaw.org 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The cheapest configuration for that server on Hetzner is about €150 per month.

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[–] Senseibu@feddit.uk 16 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] IowaMan@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I really appreciate what you're doing, but I'm worried how this instance will continue scaling. What happens when it gets to 1 million users? 10 million? We can scale vertically only somewhat, but horizontal scaling seems to be limited to "just join a new instance 4head" and that just...doesn't have a good experience.

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[–] dystop@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm not an engineer or a dev - but requiring a 32-core, $2000+ CPU to support 12k users doesn't seem like it would scale well. Is this normal, or does the fediverse require more computational resources than a simpler setup like reddit? How would a fediverse instance with 100k users be maintained?

[–] Black616Angel@feddit.de 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Look at the pricing!

Hetzner wants 150€ for this server. 3TB disk is 50€ extra. So 200€ for the server per month. This is also about 200$ so 1.6¢ per user and month. This should be very manageable.

Also it doesn't mean the server only holds 12k users. If the server holds 20k users or more you Look at less than a Cent cost per user and month.

They are already raising 600€ per month via Patron only so 3 months worth per month. If the server gets bigger, more people will probably give money and while it stays a kinda hobby project it should work out fine.

But you are right with something else:
Lemmy currently has no ability to loadbalance over multiple servers for one instance. This will become a Problem in the future, but it is being worked at.

[–] Barbarian@sh.itjust.works 12 points 1 year ago

Reddit is not a "simpler setup". Reddit has gigantic amounts of computational resources to throw at things. Resources that make servers like this look like a Raspberry Pi. They're just much less transparent about how the backend works and what they have.

[–] worldofbirths@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Was thinking the same thing, is a lemmy instance supposed to be literally a single server instance?

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[–] manitcor@lemmy.intai.tech 18 points 1 year ago (1 children)

do you plan to publish any of your scaling data? Some others might consider helping by running large instances and your learnings would be incredibly helpful.

[–] ruud@lemmy.world 37 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, when I get around to it I can create a post about it. And of course, feel free to ask.

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[–] rayquetzalcoatl@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

King Ruud is good to us

[–] Lermatroid@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (9 children)

Went ahead and subbed on patreon. Hope that lemmy survives the growing pains and can develop some of the community that reddit had!

Also if there are any fellow former apollo users would def recommend checking out Mlem, its in testflight right now but seems to be working towards the experience that apollo gave on reddit.

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[–] delaghetto@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (6 children)

So, I just want to make sure I understand this as I am a new user from reddit. Instances are server based and cost money. Instances are Lemmy.World, Beebaw, Lemmy.Film, etc etc. These are all seperate hosted instances. Correct?

And donations would help pay for the server, ie lemmy.world?

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[–] zikk_transport2@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Would be awesome if you create some group chat (e.g. Discord?) and add sysadmins/devops to it. Would be more than happy to assist, especially if you have questions or need opinions.

I've been working as sre/sysadmin/devops for the past ~5 years and ~9 years of (Arch) Linux user. More than 1K Arch Wiki edits over that period of time.

[–] ruud@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (3 children)
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[–] novettam@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (11 children)

Performance is looking awesome, lemmy.world is responding very fast to community subscription requests and search is also very fast. My experience when using other instances was that search didn't work at all, hindering community discovery.

Thanks!

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[–] breakerfall@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

All hail ruud ~~/u/ruud~~ (does that work?) Oh I have to make an actual link?

Oh and fuck spez.

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[–] wit@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

@ruud@lemmy.world, I just want it to be known that you rock. Fucking thank you for all the hard work!

[–] MyOpinion@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

Umm I joined at 2k users now there are over 15k. Damn this is exploding.

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[–] WintryLemon@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Thank you very much. The welcome for all us reddit refugees has been really warm and it's deeply appreciated.

[–] fudrummer@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

@ruud@lemmy.world DM me if you need help setting up monitoring/alerting on server health. IRL I'm on an SRE team, so happy to help where I can!

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[–] Speckle@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Thank you for making this happen! Just signed up for a regular donation to help with costs 👍

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