The purpose of the whole effort to shift responsibility for this attack on to Ukraine itself has become apparent with legal shenanigans like this: https://strategic-culture.su/news/2024/04/23/uk-insurers-refuse-to-pay-nord-stream-because-blasts-were-government-backed/
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Clear bullshit, right?
If Ukraine could pull this off, I could pull this off. I refuse to believe that international infrastructure could be so vulnerable.
The current US Secretary of State literally wrote a book about blowing up Russian gas pipelines. There was always only one suspect here.
Didn't Biden slip up and kinda admit it at one point?
He did, before they bombed the pipeline even.
Yes he threatened it before it happened
Don’t have the video link with me, but 3 weeks before Russia invaded, Biden said “if Russia invades, then we will put an end to Nord Stream”, a reporter then asked “how exactly?” and he said “I assure you we’ll be able to do it.”
Even this would be an act of war against most of Europe
I don't believe this story. I think it's a limited hangout to cover up the real details of the destruction by US and Norwegians, reported by Seymour Hersh
They will never admit that it was the US, but just moving away from "Russia bombed its own pipeline" is a big deal
The people who called us conspiracy theorists and Putin lovers for saying all along that it wasn't Russia will never apologize or acknowledge their mistake, and they'll swallow the next obvious lie without a moment's hesitation.
every time 
Kind of weird question maybe, I'm up unreasonably late, but is there a term for the thought process that leads someone to a probably true conclusion (such as the US, Norway, and Ukraine collaborated on the nordstream demolition) due to inference/pattern recognition/intuition, without undeniable evidence?
The United States did this, full stop. If Ukraine did it then the EU is fully naked and unprotected.
Yeah this is just setting up Ukraine as the fall guy. I still think it was really the US and Norway, like Seymour Hersch said it was: https://seymourhersh.substack.com/p/how-america-took-out-the-nord-stream
Genuinely, if this was Ukraine then the EU coast is completely naked and anyone with a boat can fuck their infrastructure up. You can tell the EU knows this story is bullshit because they're not doing huge investigations into security. Libs still buy it though.
I don't buy it. 6 schmucks just rent a sailboat and some deep sea diving equipment? It's a scapegoat. The only country both capable and incentivized to pull it off is the US. US officials and Biden have said many times they would destroy it. They just can't be seen as responsible for directly attacking Russia and Europe.
It's ridiculous on its face
That narrative never made any sense, anyways. Like, how did even the most credulous westerner explain that to themselves?
Ze evil Ruzzian orcs, incapable of logic due to their inferior brainpan: "ah, yes, I shall bomb my own pipeline to force the effeminate Europeans to buy oil and gas from the US, this is sure to lead me to victory."
Like, what's the framing there? That Russia blew up its own pipeline to get people to be mad at Ukraine for cutting off their energy supply somehow? And then the only spin at all was that they just had a single journalist who nobody knows by name and hasn't been relevant for 20 years post about it on a website nobody's heard of behind a paywall?
This is diversionary propaganda in my opinion. The goal is to hand over blame of the attack to Ukraine so it doesn't harm the US in diplomacy with Europe and Germany going forwards.
Oh and we're supposed to believe that Ukraine can pull this off but not be able to get the Crimean Bridge?
read theory! 
i showed my lib coworker this and they fr did the "concerning, looking into it" meme like 
Weird, I was expecting a "This proves Ukraine attacked a NATO country, time to invade Ukraine" response!
i showed my lib coworker this
how do you have the patience? I gave up on this years ago. it always ends with me "looking crazy"
To stop telling the truth for fear of looking crazy, this is a nineteenth type of liberalism.
fuck, you're right
