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browsing through All has so much pro-fascist posts coming from lemmygrad that it drowns out all the other instances. I'm surprised they're even federated by default but we should have an option to block instances from All if lemmy is deadset on federating with them just because they are fascists with a red and yellow flag...

(before the Tankies start posting about how they aren't pro-fascism "Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy" which all describe the Z movement in Russia they gleefully support in multiple posts)

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[–] graphito@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation

[–] thervingi@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes please! I have nothing against Lemmygrad, but I also don't want them to overwhelm everything else from my All feed. Please let us block entire instances, not just communities.

[–] thursday_j@lemmy.perthchat.org 1 points 2 years ago

The easiest solution for now is to join us at beehaw.org or our friends at sopuli.xyz or midwest.social. We block lemmygrad and put much care in moderation

[–] YouWillNeverBeAWoman@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Even though I don't particularly like or agree with the attitude or points of lemmygrad users, I still think there should be no blocking/defederation on instance level.

IMHO it's a fundamental design flaw of lemmy, that the instance administrators have the ability to prevent their users from accessing content from certain other instances just because of their different (political/ideological) orientation. Being exposed to other opinions, even though you don't like or agree with them, is very important. Yet this seems to become an increasingly rare phenomenon. Even if an instance doesn't want to promote the posts of another, the users should still be able to decide on their own, which community to subscribe or block. I'd love to see more features for that.

From reading the comments in this or other threads, I can see that it wont take long until lemmy will go the same echo chambered and biased way reddit went and ultimately this will be its demise. Alienating everyone who questions the current development with "Just go somewhere else" or "Get lost and host your own instance" is certainly the best way to go for ensuring only the right people stay for the infinite circle jerk...

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

IMHO it’s a fundamental design flaw of lemmy, that the instance administrators have the ability to prevent their users from accessing content from certain other instances just because of their different (political/ideological) orientation.

This is called moderation... It's basically the same thing as deleting individual comments that don't fit the rules.

[–] YouWillNeverBeAWoman@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I'm not saying there shouldn't be any moderation. But there's a difference between deleting a post and preventing whole communities to be accessed because of a subjective sense of what is the correct viewpoint on [topic], be it political, ideological or else.

I could imagine a setting where other instances' posts/communities aren't shown on the All page, but could still be subscribed / viewed by the user if he requests it.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

how should admins deal with malicious servers? Like some that post illegal stuff or whatever.

[–] YouWillNeverBeAWoman@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This is indeed a difficult problem. Especially as laws and their interpretation are highly dependent on the hosting location.

Hiding posts behind warnings or only showing them only on user request are on the top of my head.

[–] sexy_peach@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

Hiding posts behind warnings or only showing them only on user request are on the top of my head.

That's not a solution for illegal content.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago

Oh, you little fed. You have to be a fed. No one is this intentionally ignorant

[–] krolden@lemmy.ml -1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

147 (now 148) comments on this crap. Why is it we can't seem to get a liveley discussion like this but on a topic that isn't some crybaby infighting?

Really feels like some reactionary bait that lemmygrad users are swallowing whole.

[–] gun@lemmy.ml -3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I support this feature. But Wikipedia is not an authority on what fascism is. The dictionary attempts to describe the usage of a word in this case as it relates to an objective phenomenon. Before we can attempt this description, an understanding of the objective phenomenon must be had. We can rely on definitions for understood phenomena like water, jogging, or birds. But what exactly fascism is is a hotly debated topic, not a well understood phenomenon that we hold absolute knowledge and certainty of. Even your dictionary source admits it is a characterization of fascism, not exactly a definition.

A conservative will reason discursively that Hitler was a leftist, because the Left can be defined as more government, so Fascism is far left. In the same way, that buzzfeed employee could argue their own view of what misogyny is. To them, when a man spreads their legs in public, this is the sexist act of manspreading.

What these people (and you) are doing is taking a word that has a strongly negative connotation, arguing for an expanded categorization of this word in an attempt to rub off that connotation on something else. But all this succeeds in doing is devaluing said word.

Fascism has a negative connotation because its consequence was the death of 60-100 million people. That has nothing to do with Bernie supporters wanting to give people free healthcare. The "more government" connection (what even does 'more government' mean?) has to be proven more than circumstantial. Likewise, sexism has a negative connotation because of rape, women in the past not having basic rights like the right to vote, etc. But a man letting his balls get some air has nothing to do with that, even if people find it a little rude.

They have algebraically replaced a world phenomenon with a term, much like a mathematician replaces a quantity with the letter 'X' on paper. Then they have discursively reasoned using the term, not the phenomenon. You can find the length of a square's side from the root of the area. We have a square that is 4 cm^2^. So what is √4? Math tells us that it is ±2. So a square in real life can have a negative length? This is the lunacy that you will accept with analytical reasoning if you do not understand its premises.

So instead of lazily giving us a definition full of nebulous terms, why not prove to me that any similarities between modern Russia and the Fascist countries are more than circumstantial? What is the unity behind these particular examples? All states are militaristic. All states suppress real opposition. Authoritarianism is no realer than the boogeyman. Russia does not have a "strong regimentation of society" so you're just flat out wrong there.

[–] Catradora_Stalinism@lemmy.ml 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

someone downvoted your post before there was even time to read it lol

[–] frippa@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 years ago

Libs gonna lib

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