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Man, it especially sucks knowing that Voosh is one of the few sane(?) lefty commentators who aren’t full on “America Bad” tankies who may as well be accelerationists at this point.

Imagine claiming to be a leftist and not being against the US. What the fuck even is their ideology?

It's going to get worse on the H3 end, I'm sorry to tell you.

By the next podcast episode Vaush is probably going to lose even more subs.

Most of his subscribers at this point are "but muh context" apologists. Anyone paying attention has known he's a pedo for years.

Vaush’s career is going to collapse because of the “revelation”that he has a folder of furry horseporn? The shock! Who would have known our cult leader had such a terrible secret?

Look at them still trying to deny the pedophilia.

My only solace is the distinction between labeling someone a pedophile and saying they have 2 images that could be interpreted as loli. I know the distinction, and I know from that that much more needs to be established to consider vaush a pedophile. What we have is essentially nothing.

What we have is essentially nothing.

Vaushites love to repeat this claim, so here's a list of all the gross pedo shit Vaush has said over the years (all sourced, many of them are videos of him directly saying these things) (copied and cleaned up a little from this 2 year old post).

Why does everyone accuse this streamer who says so much pedo shit of being a pedophile?!

the principle of 'anyone who brings up a sexual inclination in a recurrent manner probably has that sexual inclination' continues to be true

also, as a neurotic infosec gal, I have to bring it up: what a fucking rookie mistake. even if the shit he had on his drive wasn't totally creepo, it's just bad practice to have fetishistic/pornographic material that easily accessible on a public-facing computer. 'never have your porn folder a click away' is basic fucking wisdom. buy an external drive. make an encrypted disk image. buy a laptop. nest the folder to hell and back. add literally any degree of separation between shit you don't want to air out publicly and your stream pc. foolish horndog behavior.

It's hilarious that they are this ride-or-die and loyal for a fucking bland chauvinist soc dem. Like, dime-a-dozen bland ass boring social democrat. I would understand more if some were esoteric, radical ideologists clinging cult-like to a personality but it's hilarious to see people bending over, embarrassing themselves defending pedophilia and bestiality on behalf of... an annoying white boring soc dem centrist who wants things to stay the same but add healthcare.

they're "feeling very doomer" because this makes their favourite internet personality harder to defend? This shit is pathetic

also they seem to have convinced themselves that what he had there is not actually CP. Why? Is it just because it's drawn?

"Did you look at the alleged cp" is NOT a good strategy.

i'll be honest if he wasn't a pedophile i'd still hate him.

Those comments giving me cult vibes. "The problem isn't that he's a creep... the problem is people found out he's a creep"

If he were an actual pedo he would use the exact same excuses.

I guess we could try just directly linking the porn to people

Holy shit these people

like Vaush said, it looks worse with context

Funny, that

Me looking at this thread with no prior knowledge of what a v*ush is or why, and discovering that a v*ush fan's favoured passtime is literally defending & advocating for pedo shit

These people need hobbies that aren't just parasocial internet shit. Straight up pathetic how they are seemingly personally embarrassed by this because somehow watching the video game man content has become an inseparable part of their entire personality. Even if you used to watch him just call him a weirdo creep and move on with your life shit is so wack lmao

maybe if there isnt a credible defense you should stop defending him

I hate seeing trans people in these reddit comments, please grow brains

When the leak happen i honestly thought it was going to be like all other shit vaush has said and it would only be pick up by ML twitter and sometimes ancom twitter but it would get eventually forgotten about.

Im glad H3H3 pick it up, it really fucked over the vaushites now socdems hate him, a nerd i follow in twitter was trying to get in contact with ethan to give him all the evidence of the stuff vaush has said in the past so its going to get worst for the vaushites.

Its funny they are blaming destiny and hasan like its a hit made by them to take out their cult leader, it would be funny if they find out about our vaushbad masterpost and blame us for this.

[CW: CSE]

This is one of the top comments over there:

Aside from the Redditeur posturing (I know this is going to get a lot of downvotes... UwU👉👈) their strategy is to deflect (muh whataboutism!!) and to say that they know his streams well enough that they can verify that he's not a pedo? Lol. Lmao even.

First things first, you don't know what someone is like behind closed doors. Survivors of CSE will be the first ones to tell you this (if these people spent even 1/1000th of the time listening to survivors as they do Va*sh...)

But what I want to get at here is that these dorks have transcended the parasocial relationship and they have achieved parareality; they're literally convincing themselves that their consooming of a livestreamed spectacle serves as a viable substitute for reality itself.

The best part about this strategy is how it's completely doomed to failure. Some other highlights:

People are trying to figure out if the "Actually, she's a 6,000 year old demon who was reincarnated into the body of a 7yo so the sexual objectification of the character is, diagetically speaking, not pedo shit" defense is going to land.

People are trying to figure out if sharing the context of the images makes it seem worse, and apparently it is even according to the big man himself (!!)

People are trying to figure out if they should tell critics to look up the images themselves (!!)

People are trying to figure out if the best strategy is to simply disengage and to stop responding when this gets brought up.

This is what happens when you crowdsource your PR management strategy to a bunch of 20-something year old grassphobes.

V*ush is the posterboy for "leftist" grifters

I thought anarcho-bidenism was supposed to be a joke, but at least he's managed to turn it to a as internally consistent ideology as possible by supporting zoophilia, pedophilia and nato

why do some people insist on simping for a bastard who fucking hates them and would dance over their corpse for views?

Drawn ~~CSAM~~ CP fans when they learn that no, actually, the majority of the people on the internet are not into the same shit they are.

Send the entire sub to

If he were an actual pedo he would use the exact same excuses. [...] We're charitable to Vaush from watching him for so long, so of course we're willing to believe when he explains the situation.

Jesus Christ can you imagine writing this and not realizing anything? This is some cult shit, and a cult led by a pedophile probably won't end well.

edit: I archived it but it's still processing. They're definitely wiping this thread soon- https://archive.is/wip/1MGOG

Before now, he's already been smeared as a pedo and clip chimped to hell. But it's at least been possible to argue against each of those clips and sound rational. "It's out of context" was our rallying cry to his defense. From there, we can succinctly reframe his initial points about "cp vs child labor," or "the need for consistent utilitarian ethics," or "he was just complaining about how much hentai has a problem with forcing pedo shit into it," or "he was just being edgy in a meme discord before he was a streamer," or "he was naively arguing a point about the way socialism affects power dynamics when he was younger," etc., etc., etc.

But you didn't sound rational. You sounded like a paedophile defending another paedophile because saying "tankie" with your friends makes you feel smart. Normal people could just plainly point to the paedophile saying something terrible and acknowledge it for what it is. Vaushites either couldn't or wouldn't and both are equally damning/unconvincing. If people stopped responding after you said that it's because they feel disgusted interacting with a paedophile.

edit: Jesus, they can't make up their mind between telling non-believers to go look at the photos to prove they aren't CSAM or asking each other for links to the photos so they can prove to themselves that it isn't CSAM.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq0weqc/

It s really sad cuz if you actually look up the pics they aren't bad at all. People are just choosing to call it cp to further their own agenda.

Is there an accurate list of high res ones out there? I saw one one from twitter at the start of the drama, but imo the low res thumbnails didn't really match with the added images, so I don't want to base my own judgment off of that, unless it was actually accurate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq04sa9/

I wouldn't say "its not that bad" but instead encourage them to just look it up themselves, because i feel like 90% of those who claim its cp or whatever actually havent looked at the pictures, but is just taking h3 at their word

"Did you look at the alleged cp" is NOT a good strategy.

If you phrase it like that sure im not arguing for that

That's what it's going to sound like to anyone who isn't already on his side.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq2j5sg/

Yeah, I don't even want to look it up and I'd like to defend Vaush as I think he doesn't have bad intentions. The hentai/bestiality adjacent stuff is something I can't relate to and again, from "knowing" Vaush I'm sure he considers whatever it is harmless but looking at porn for too long can really be desensitizing. There have been moments where I asked myself what the hell I was watching. I bet if the most objectionable porn anyone watched was known lots of people and most who are addicted would seem like absolute weirdo creeps.

This is a hyper-normal response to someone being caught with CSAM. Note this user says "The hentai/bestiality adjacent stuff" but doesn't mention children in that as he goes on to say that he has moments where he asks himself what the hell he is watching and would seem like an absolute weirdo creep if people knew.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq0cdv6/

You understand how that looks, right? Like actually listen to that exchange:

"You are defending a pedo picture haver." "No, I'm not, you should look up the pictures."

Like, I've asserted it in conversation too, but we have to be realistic about how that sounds to most people.

Ok but you don't have to say it like that lol

The problem is there really isn't a way to say it that doesn't seem insane.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq077cx/

Like you said in your post, defending him is just gonna make us look like unhinged loli defenders. You know what I wish our reaction was as a community?

“I don’t really care about the horse shit but the loli was definitely weird. I’ve watched his content long enough to know he’s not a p*do but it’s not a good look. Anyways, there are actual fascist threats in the United States and Palestinians are facing a genocide so this drama is irrelevant anyways.“

And leave it at that. If people ask, “so you’re okay with being a fan of a pdo?” just don’t respond. I genuinely believe the lengths we go through to defend Vaush not only in this situation, *but in general, make us look like parasocial freaks. That’s why I almost never defend him unless it’s against the fans of a certain community I won’t mention.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq0blok/

I know what you mean, and sympathize. When the leak first happened, I about died laughing. I saw the pics and laughed because it just looked like average hentai to me, and that it was such an easily avoidable leak made it all the funnier. I didn't think much else of it until the H3 podcast and I saw how people reacted. I actually went back to relook at the pics, feeling like I was losing my mind, because it seemed like everyone was talking about entirely different pics from the ones I saw. If nothing else, I think it's very clear to me now that even in leftist spaces there's a lot of reactionary level immaturity when it comes to discussions on porn and sexual fantasies, like it's still treated as taboo and shameful, to the point where people will outright lie to shame. I think the thing that's killing me the most about this right now are people flippantly casting everyone as a pedo. To the point where the H3 sub was poking fun at the term 'pedojacketing', because it's not a serious thing to them. As someone who's queer, and knows how queer this space is, I don't think I need to bridge why that bothers me so badly, and why it really rubs me the wrong way that that legitimate grievance is being brushed aside as unserious and used as further evidence to pedojacket. If I've gone doomer on anything, it's all of that. There's no way to argue against any of this, it'll never be taken seriously. They're literally willing to use info from 4chan to smear people. You'll just get hit with the same attacks, and trying to defend yourself in any way will make you look insane. It's genuinely depressing, and I really don't know what to say or how to say it at this point. All I do know is that while I doubt this will be the end of his career, I think it'll result in Vaush being further isolated as a figure, at least for a long while. Outreach will probably be more difficult, and I doubt any serious political figure is going to come anywhere near him now. As for Vaush himself, I know this is hurting him emotionally (he said as much briefly on stream when he brought up his haircut as part of why he couldn't debate Ethan), but I think his only real option is to stop addressing it and move on. This isn't a battle that can be won, and these were never the people who would ever take him seriously, or any of us seriously, for that matter.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq0hgch/

My only solace is the distinction between labeling someone a pedophile and saying they have 2 images that could be interpreted as loli. I know the distinction, and I know from that that much more needs to be established to consider vaush a pedophile. What we have is essentially nothing.

WHY DO YOU KNOW THAT DISTINCTION.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq16fnq/

I think a better way to approach would be to simply mention that the clips were taken out of context and if you actually look at the context it it’s not controversial at all. In fact the clips that started this were started by an actual Nazi. Ethan making these claims and using these clips further brings my case that he is a Nazi.

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq30htp/

I think it's natural to feel bad for Vaush in this situation. Do you think the bullying happening online is legitimate? Or do you only care to come here and try to make people feel bad?

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kq35dg5/

My take on this, if someone were to ask, would be to simply say, "Yeah, loli shit is fucking bad. I heard the image in question was of a character who's canonically 16 but had also supposedly been aged up or something? I dunno, still sounds like an L on his part if so".

Ackshully sir have you heard of ephebophilia?

https://www.reddit.com/r/VaushV/comments/1aoj5jz/its_so_over_feeling_very_doomer_folder_rant/kpzwgw4/

MLK was unpopular when he died 🤷 being correct and unproblematic is a burden we bear in a world hell bent on making everything into the end of the world

MLK was unpopular because he wasn't racist not because he loved horse porn

How are these people so fucking brain damaged what the fuck

How do you type out that post and not have the realization "oh god I've been protecting a pedophile this whole time and am still doing so now"

Lmao and this whole thing is just about the contents of his "TO BE SORTED" folder

I wish these nerds could hear themselves.

Those are the most impressive mental gymnastics I've ever seen.

Just going through a list of all the times he's been caught being a pedo and listing a laughable excuse for every one.

It literally reads like scathing satire of him.

At one point going through the other "non controversies" he refers to the OTHER them he got caught liking cartoon child porn and they said "from her form it was obvious it would be more accurate to call it an adult imagining of the character"

They literally say "it's out of context was our rallying cry"

Knowing nothing abaout any of this outside that post, this seems like a very predictable outcome.

They're complaining because "oh so now people can just point to the ONE TIME he got caught with a massive folder full of pedophilia beastiality"

Cw: slurs Hexbear going to vaush’s sub

From there, we can succinctly reframe his initial points about "cp vs child labor,"