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If Reddit were to revert it's changes to 3rd party apps would you stay on Lemmy or move back to Reddit?

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[–] clueless_stoner@lemmy.world 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Most of the people fleeing Reddit aren't leaving just because of recent changes. A lot of people were already looking for alternatives, yet failing to find one active or familiar enough. So now we're here.

[–] fred@beehaw.org 17 points 1 year ago (5 children)

I dont see most less technical users moving at all without some more UI maturity. The whole federated services thing is just a bit too abstract a concept for most. And right now its difficult to find/join communities outside your instance.

[–] clueless_stoner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Agreed. I've been enjoying this site so far but I know most of my friends would hate it. It needs better UI. They also needa ELI5 all the fediverse shit and then have a TL;DR easily accesible to new visitors.

Or we(the community) needa ELI5 that shit, people can make memes about them, and maybe rename the fediverse because it sounds too generic.

[–] darkkite@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://calckey.social/tags/Reddit has the best ui i've seen in the fediverse but it's for mastodon

It definitely looks amazing. Though no downvote button made me avoid Mastodon altogether.

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[–] teawrecks@sopuli.xyz 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The confusion seems unwarranted to me, though. It's literally the same as email. Every time I discuss fediverse with people, all of their confusion stems from presumed complexity that doesn't actually exist. The server they pick matters just as much as it does for their email. So the process is: create an account somewhere, and start interacting with communities. That's it.

[–] fred@beehaw.org 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Right. Agree. But searching for communities, especially those outside your instance can be wonky. Finding communities and grouping like communities across instances is difficult as it currently sits. And it takes a bit of understanding how to search to find things.

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[–] communist@beehaw.org 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Honestly, there's a pull request right now on lemmy-ui for instance agnostic linking, that combined with automatically staying on your instance will completely resolve the only issue I see for normal people.

That and a little jank here and there but that's bound to get buffed out.

[–] fred@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Agree those two changes would be good. Along with making the ability to add topic sorting or community grouping where you can view say, all β€œtechnology” communities in a url. Or all Linux communities across instances in a big group etc.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I don't think it's too abstract for people. I think we're all just really bad at explaining it to non-techies.

When you move to a city, choosing the neighborhood you want to buy your house in doesn't stop you from being able to drive around looking at others.

It ain't rocket science.

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[–] grant@toast.ooo 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

after I found out about the fediverse I've wondered why not more people use it and why it wasn't already popular

[–] Stormyfemme@beehaw.org 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For most people it’s just a bit too arcane.

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[–] fossilesque@mander.xyz 27 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Trust is the hardest thing to reclaim once lost, and this isn't the first break. Big social is having problems, it's the natural course of things.

[–] kalipike@lemmy.one 7 points 1 year ago

This is a great point!

[–] ForynGilnith@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For me, they'd have to

  1. Replace /u/spez
  2. Implement some sort of publicly auditable accountability re: shadowbans and database-level comment editing
  3. Open-source significant parts of their platform.

I have zero expectation that any of these things will happen. The most healthy way forward, for an open and free internet, is the meritocracy of the fediverse.

[–] jax@lemmy.cloudhub.social 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Did he get caught editing comments again? And the shadowbanning?

[–] ForynGilnith@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Not recently... I'm just completely out trust and benefit of the doubt based on the various controversies and where their (Tencent) money is coming from.

[–] kalipike@lemmy.one 15 points 1 year ago (5 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Even if they did, I think a lot of redditors have been fed up with some things with Reddit (both the company and the first-party app) for a while.

Of course, there will be people who just don't care and will continue to go about their redditing as usual, and those who will go back. A fair number of my close friends don't care at all as they use the first-party app, have no complaints, don't moderate any subreddits, and don't follow the Internet news.

I would love to see my primary communities move over to federated social platforms. It reminds me of the Web1.0 and earlier Web2.0 days.

[–] jax@lemmy.cloudhub.social 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

The CEO just tripled down and said they are not changing their intended API pricing regardless of how many subs and users go dark.

Link? That's not good news :/

[–] Gloccu@lemmy.one 5 points 1 year ago

I think that's from his AMA response

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[–] Anon2971@beehaw.org 14 points 1 year ago

Reddit's handling of the API change criticisms showed me how little they care about the community that keeps them afloat. The way the CEO's AMA pretty much ignored all criticism of the API changes (including comments asking why the new price is so extortionately expensive) whilst lying about Apollo's developer threatening them.... They've shown their real colours now

I don't want to use a platform prioritising profits above everything else. I used Reddit for over a decade and they've eradicated all trust I had in them within a few days. Reddit as a company clearly only want to line their own pockets. Even if they reverse the decision, at this point it'd clearly be a PR move to save their sinking reputation rather than coming from a place of genuine constructive dialogue.

Its a shame, but at the same time I'm excited to see where things go from here. Reddit's always had a bit of a quality control problem due to its sheer volume of content. Maybe this mass exodus will lead to a replacement platform with a more refined, engaged userbase.

[–] DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago

I’ve returned to Reddit from Lemmy in the past, but this time it’s different. There are enough people posting content here now that it feels like a community (and not just a few nerds hoping it will take off). Never thought I’d say this but, thanks Spez for creating such a vibrant community.

[–] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Personally, I don't see myself going back. I'll just chill with my new community here.

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[–] roseh@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I already like the community here more

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[–] robocop@fedia.io 9 points 1 year ago

They've already posted that they're going to "double down" on ads on their platform and they are not going to back down on the API rules: https://www.redditinc.com/blog/investing-in-what-makes-reddit-unique-introducing-contextual-keyword-targeting-and-product-ads

[–] 108beads@beehaw.org 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Nope. Everyone makes mistakes. But you don't go full Armageddon on the people whose blood, sweat & tears built you up from diddly, and then say "oopsie." It don't work like that, Spez. Have fun with your IPO.

[–] ForynGilnith@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Well said - my patience ran out about 6 or 7 "mistakes" ago. I'm never going back.

[–] Kettellkorn@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I think if this works out I may switch permanently if they back out. If not I will only use Reddit as the occasional info lookup and use this as my β€œsocial media”

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For me at this point I think Steve Huffman would need to step down along with a step back of their changes. I can't trust the platform given his track record.

I don't trust Reddit any more. I made a comment elsewhere about why.

[–] hbar@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

I've fully committed to replacing reddit in my life, I'm trying to be active here and pointing people to Lemmy when I can. Reddit has made it clear they dont care about users. they get content for free, moderation for free, etc. They pissed on their base and deserve a mass exodus. I just hope people follow through.

[–] jax@lemmy.cloudhub.social 5 points 1 year ago

I don't think I'll go back except for niche content/communities I don't expect to see here for a while.

[–] gabuwu@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

Lemmy is too good to leave. I don't think I'm alone either. I was wanting an alternative for a while.

[–] Vivi@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago

I haven’t been a daily Reddit user for a long time, if Apollo stayed active and useable I’d keep it loaded on my phone but I’m into the vibe on lemmy and want to be part of it.

[–] caffeineplease@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I fully support all the reasons for ditching Reddit altogether, but if I can’t use Apollo, I’ll only ever use it on desktop, and even then just to look stuff up via Google.

Installed Mlem and have committed to making this place a good one.

The apollo_for_reddit developer (android) is looking into making their app compatible with alternative platforms, hopefully more Reddit apps follow suit so they can make interacting on Lemmy as frictionless as possible

[–] artic@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

use both lemmy and reddit

[–] neo@lemmy.comfysnug.space 4 points 1 year ago

It wouldn't matter at all, because it's just a matter of time before they implement such features and don't back down.

They'll just continue shit-testing us until the blowback isn't enormous if they go this route.

I've overwritten and deleted all my comments and posts and nuked my account. This is my new home.

[–] pinwurm@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm seeing how things play out.

I certainly like Lemmy and I could very well use both for a while. I'm mostly worried my favorite subs (especially my local City sub) won't migrate or be an active enough group here. Time will tell. I want to follow the community, not the platform.

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[–] goddamnpipes@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I don't intend to go back nearly as much as before, even if the changes are reverted (unlikely, imo). A lot of the aspects of Reddit that I didn't like - but tolerated - are generally not found here, at least so far. While Lemmy still leaves things to be desired, it just feels better to engage with.

However, I may still add " reddit" to the end of a search query to avoid all the bloat articles that crop up in a search. There's still a wealth of useful information on Reddit from all those years for even the most niche questions / topics.

[–] WarMarshalEmu@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I will admit that I'd keep RiF on my phone just to doomscroll in airports and whatnot. Though I think I'm going to stop my desktop use (90% of my use) of Reddit regardless. The writing is on the wall for old.reddit.

[–] milkytoast@beehaw.org 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'll use both then. reddit is still unparalleled for support, simply because of its sheer size

[–] sbv@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

Yeah, I'd go back. I notice the bot content has gotten bad on Reddit, but the communities I follow are still okay.

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