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[–] CannedTuna@sh.itjust.works 50 points 10 months ago (2 children)

“…and because they burn villages and homes, eat livestock and people. Do you really have to ask why we should kill the terrifying man eating beast?”

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago

Knight out there "just asking questions".

[–] ventusvir@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wait, chromatic dragons are evil but metallic dragons are quirky at worst

[–] chillhelm@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No. Metal Dragons are so GOOD so LOUD at all times that the resulting tyranny is as bad as a chromatic dragons. You stole a loaf of bread because you're starving? Still theft, you die.

[–] nxdefiant@startrek.website 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

silver dragon: This is NOT a "human costume", this is my PERSONA. YES, I'm going to wear it to the restaurant, what's the problem?!

[–] CannedTuna@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

I mean sure as far D&D goes. But generally speaking dragons are giant, scary, flying, firebreathing, winged monstrosities with lots of scary sharp teeth and claws.

[–] Alteon@lemmy.world 48 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I have a very strong feeling we're about to have a lot of dragonslayers coming back into popularity within the next few years.

[–] Pat_Riot@lemmy.today 1 points 10 months ago

The slaying of dragons should never have gone out of vogue.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago

"Fuck the king because you can be sure the king is already fucking you."

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I think those tropes were mostly accidents actually, in medieval times you'd slay a dragon because it was literally a demon from hell, like that's literally where fire breath comes from, because their mouth is a direct portal to hell and opening it can unleash the fires of hell.

Tolkien is probably one of the first authors to portray the Dragon's horde in a context of a sign of the Dragon's immoral character, as opposed to an incidental that made for a good source of loot for the hero to get a cool new toy from, and even then that's how most narratives involving dragon's hordes treat the actual horde, the horde itself, given back to the people or not, is not especially relevant except for a few choice items which the hero takes a shining to and keeps, it'll happen in D&D just cause.

[–] DigitalTraveler42@lemmy.world 24 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Just to point out, belief and depictions of dragons transcend European literature and mythology, so limiting dragons to European medieval depictions and Tolkien means ignoring other cultural depictions.

Overall Smaug was based on elements of Beowulf's Bane and Norse mythology's Fafnir, and Fafnir is considered Norse symbolic for greed.

[–] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Yeah but we're talking about a euro-centered perspective anyways since it's a knight out to slay the dragon and not an emperor seeking council of their dragon ancestors or Quetzalcoatl being Quetzalcoatl as usual

[–] samus12345@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, although Western and Eastern mythological giant flying reptiles are both called "dragons," they're very different creatures.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

I assumed from the talk of a king and knight that these were euro dragons

[–] qarbone@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe the spelling for the mass of treasure is "hoard" as opposed to the mass of bodies, "horde".

[–] Kase@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

But what if the dragon collects human friends?

[–] bricklove@midwest.social 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And then everybody clapped

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Hooray for sir Albert they all said!

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

And it turned out the dragon was the guy interviewing him, and he not only got the job, but he was put in charge of the business unit and kittens.

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I would've assumed because they're big, dangerous, unpredictable animals. Like killing wolves or something.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Wasn't this an allegory for late stage capitalism?

[–] platypus_plumba@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, dragons are known for. having capricious moods.

[–] blazeknave@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Hahahahahah this just destroyed me lmao

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

No no, the knight was just unaware

[–] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Depends on the type of dragon. Sure the ones in King Arthur were dumb beasts, but almost all other mythologies and fantasy systems have made dragons extremely intelligent, and wyverns are the dumb beasts.

Also see why Skyrim dragons are actually Wyverns

[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but does the king care about that?

[–] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Provably does. If his lands and peasants or those of his vassals are fucked up then it obviously causes problems. Who wants their lands burned, cattle eaten or serfs killed? Bad for business, innit