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[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 84 points 11 months ago (8 children)

Just to give things some scale, the longest book series in WH 40k is the hours heresy. It's 60+ books. And that takes place in the 30th millennium, so it's just background to current times lore.

There are more than 300 novels to read, and that's just counting novels. There are also codexes (codecies?), other supplementary books, other game books (like dark heresy), and the many issues of the white dwarf magazine.

How absurd must Kirby lore be then?

[–] HRDS_654@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To give you a hint, Kirby is actually an eldrich god.

[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] blanketswithsmallpox@lemmy.world 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's it. That's the lore. That's how much people like to hype up kirby lore despite it being a big ol nothingburger. That's why he's just so upset about all that hype and then... the big reveal. Kirby eat things.

[–] Sombyr@lemmy.zip 21 points 11 months ago (1 children)

There's also the fact that there are other potential incarnations of Kirby also wandering around the universe, except they're evil. Also they seem to be able to kill omnipotent gods somehow. And potentially create them too. I think there was also something about Nova or whatever his name was being made by the same species Kirby is?
Which, because they're all dead except Kirby and Metaknight implied that there's something capable of killing them, too, that we've never seen.

Also Kirby probably never killed 0. It would seem he can't die in fact. And he seems to be what happens when Kirby reincarnates as evil instead of good.
The final boss of Kirby Squeak Squad is implied to be an incarnation of 0. In Japan his name is even "Dark 0."

Kirby lore is basically "Lovecraft for Kids" if you ask me. Way simpler than traditional cosmic horror, but it has the same elements.

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[–] ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In the last game, Forgotten Land, Kirby fights against a god level dimension warping motherfucker who corrupted all the animals and steals souls for power. After being Kirb stomped, Fecto Elfilis creates a pocket dimension to escape to that contains all the souls and warped versions of the bosses. A pivotal part of the end boss build up is a wall of flesh/psychic material chases after you, the goopy mass swarming with the faces of those it's consumed.

This isnt even lore yet - it's gameplay. Kirby is also haunted by Meta Knight, space wizards from other dimensions, and so much more. It isn't hype to just talk about what's happening in the game.

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[–] ryathal@sh.itjust.works 27 points 11 months ago

It's less about length and more about absurdity and power levels. As a rough translation, imagine if everything ever done by chaos was defeated by a single entity that ate them. That's basically how Kirby lore works.

[–] palordrolap@kbin.social 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Codices. One of those times the apparent rule works out.

index -> indices, codex -> codices

As far as "information to fill your head with" goes, this is, of course, minor.

[–] anarchrist@lemmy.dbzer0.com 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] brsrklf@jlai.lu 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)
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[–] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Yeah autocorrect was fucking with me, it didn't like codices (but I spell like shit)

[–] Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 points 11 months ago

It drives me absolutely nuts when spellcheck refuses to recognize a word. You have one job!

[–] Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 13 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I started putting Luetin09's lore videos in the background while I work and fucking hell, there's a lot of shit going on! I never even played W40k!

[–] denast@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Don't worry, most worldwide fans didn't either. Outside of first world countries few can afford such a hobby so a big chunk of the community are just lore enjoyers

[–] roscoe@startrek.website 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Are the novels good? I'm not interested in any of the tabletop stuff but I'd love to have a shitload of books to read.

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[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 72 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Imagine all the people who would do the Matrix thing and learn martial arts... Only to gain the wisdom that knowing how to do martial arts doesn't make it any easier when you're fat and out of shape.

[–] TIMMAY@lemmy.world 26 points 11 months ago (4 children)

I like to think it would be like playing a new game from the beginning vs replaying a game from the beginning and youd still have a big leg up in the knowledge and methodology for training, and a good understanding of the progress you make

[–] fushuan@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

I did sports when I was young. I know how to correctly do the exercises, running routines and all that. I'm still not doing it now because all of that knowledge is worth nothing without willpower.

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[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I mean a core part of most martial arts is just learning how to control the body.

Knowing how to move would still be a decent advantage for someone like that

[–] Couldbealeotard@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The Matrix thing is only really useful when you go inside the Matrix, where your limits are your mental strength. Outside the Matrix you're still a weedy little person. Look at when Neo and Bane/Smith fought: it was messy, ugly, and the opposite of choreographed martial arts.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Ironically, the matrix is also the one place where you can negate the need for kung fu because you can just alter reality with your thoughts by simply believing hard enough.

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[–] Honytawk@lemmy.zip 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

People do martial arts to get into shape though.

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[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 66 points 11 months ago (4 children)

KIRBY IS A GOD UNIRONICALY AND HAS KILLED MULTIPLE GODS BOTH INTENTIONALLY AND UNITENTIONALLY, OFTEN OVER FOOD.

[–] kirbykirbz@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] RIP_Cheems@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

YOU KILLED THE GOD OF KNOWLEDGE OVER A CAKE AND THEN LET A FUCKING GREMLIN GET THE POWER AND SHROWED THE WORLD IN DARKNESS. YES I BLAME YOU.

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[–] julianh@lemm.ee 29 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you did this with the doctor who wiki you'd probably be clinically insane.

[–] Infynis@midwest.social 38 points 11 months ago

That's basically what happened to Donna

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You boyz need to brush up on Ork philozophy. Whatever I do, I try to be at least zome bit Brutal an orz Kunnin.

Only den will a be Right an Proppa.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It’s endlessly funny to me that Orks are among the most brutal, caste-system based, martial strength = legitimate authority, but they are powered by feels.

A Eldar or Guardsman would look at a typical Shoota or Mek built by Orks see a series of parts assembled to a facsimile of the intended device - but it is the Ork’s belief that it will work, that makes it work. In a future where the Imperium will invade whole systems over rumors of ancient human technology that is superior to their creations, Orks pop up from spores and can bullshit themselves to overcome physical laws.

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Yep, as a fictional concept they are fascinating. They're less of a nation or a race, but more like an invading self contained ecosystem that makes supply lines obsolete. Their technology is so ridiculous that it's almost useless in other species hands, but they can pillage their enemies weapons to their own advantage. Their entire species social class structure is based on merit, biggest ork is DA BOSS, because it's biologically baked into them.

[–] Xariphon@kbin.social 13 points 11 months ago (2 children)

And if a small Ork becomes Boss, he will get bigger until he's the biggest... Because they all believe he's supposed to, so he does.

[–] Milk_Sheikh@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

“Oh fuck, you’re gonna make me WAAAGH”

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They're like lobsters they never stop growing, more they fight bigger they get. It's part of their life cycle, it's like sleep for us.

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[–] VonCesaw@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

REAL ORKZ BE KUNNIN AN BRUTAL NOT BRUTAL AN KUNNIN

DIS POST WUZ MADE BY DA MORK BALEEVAS

[–] MisterNeon@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

OI I KNOWZ DAT!! I IZ A BADMOON OLDHEAD, BUTZ I GOTZ TO DUM IT DOWN FOR DEEZ HUMMIEZ! DEY NOT READY FOR "DAKKA IZ AZ DAKKA DOZ" OR ANY'TING BOSS GHAZGHKULL IZ YELLINZ ABOUT!!

[–] Ashyr@sh.itjust.works 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I don't get the Kirby lore reference at all. Is it actually that deep?

[–] FlatFootFox@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The games aren’t deep per se, but they just get a little tonally weird towards the end given the franchise’s cute presentation. You go from fighting a tree who won’t stop disrupting forest creatures to battling an unknowable alien incarnation of darkness who wants to take over all of reality. The series has a lot of, “Oh no, our friend’s been possessed by a manifestation of pure evil!” plots.

[–] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Kirby may or may not be an eldritch god that feasts on the souls of other eldritch gods.

He eats a child at one point.

[–] OneOrTheOtherDontAskMe@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

An eldritch god birthed into existence as a counterweight to the overwhelming darkness of the universe, a force of nature, regardless of intent (I think, it's been years since I took that plunge)

[–] Cosmicomical@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Am I the only one that spent the day reading kirby lore and found it plain? It's probably me.

[–] Sombyr@lemmy.zip 21 points 11 months ago

It is plain tbh. What makes it feel interesting is that it never explains 99% of the lore. You have to pick up on it through tiny little details in the game. Sometimes it's more blatant, sometimes it's super subtle.
Just reading up on it doesn't give the same experience as "did the incarnation of the limitless void just turn into Kirby for a second there?"

[–] Coasting0942@reddthat.com 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

To be fair, knowing the exact rituals and steps to make the demonculaba would leave anyone in a similar state of mind.

[–] Che_Donkey@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

What's so bad about Kirby?

[–] Caboose12000@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Kirby is an unstoppable force with the brain of a child. He has killed multiple elder gods, often over nothing more than food. if you want examples, look up bosses like Zero-Two, Marx/Marx Soul, or Void Termina.

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[–] hardeehar@lemmynsfw.com 5 points 11 months ago

That's how it starts.

[–] scottywh@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Beats the hell out of the version that requires clicking through 6 separate pictures.

[–] stevedidwhat_infosec@infosec.pub 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Looks like Steve was introduced to the globes war crimes

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