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Settings -> Devices & connections -> Controllers & headsets -> (Select your controller) -> (Three dot menu) -> Update now.

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[–] Carighan@lemmy.world 73 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not just Xbox controllers, ~all controllers.

Nintendo hides them really well from you but there's a menu options to go look for updates. My two 8bitdo controllers get quite regular updates, they have their own update tool for it.

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[–] RegalPotoo@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

Most things that are powered have microcontrollers in them these days, and that usually means firmware of some kind - it's not always "field updatable". A product I was involved in the development of used a fairly standard li-ion battery pack, and part of the manufacturing process involved making sure the firmware on the batteries had been updated correctly

[–] wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 31 points 10 months ago (2 children)

i mean, is it hardware?

if yes, then it has software that translates physical actions to software. that requires firmware.

[–] GingeyBook@lemm.ee 26 points 10 months ago (3 children)

Holy shit, you just helped me realize why it's called firmware.

The layer between hard and soft. It shouldn't be, but my mind is blown.

[–] safesyrup@feddit.ch 10 points 10 months ago

Dafuq? How didn‘t i think about it in that way before? I always associated „firm“ with company. Makes much more sense now, lol

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[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Not all hardware involves a microcontroller.

[–] Stovetop@lemmy.world 25 points 10 months ago

All new (first party) controllers have firmware updates these days. Sony has almost identical prompts and used to require you to plug them in via USB to update before they eventually figured out how to do it through Bluetooth. Even PS4 controllers going back almost 11 years now used to prompt for firmware updates from time to time. And Switch controllers will update as well, but usually very subtly.

[–] cashews_best_nut@lemmy.world 20 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This doesn't look like Arch Linux.

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Archwiki says install windows :)

https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Gamepad#xpadneo

For this controller to work wirelessly, you need a windows vm for the first pairing, if you are already there, you can update the firmware

[–] Vash63@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Who'd have guessed a Microsoft hardware product works like garbage in Linux.

[–] infeeeee@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Actually besides this first pairing it works flawlessly. I remember with windows 10 I met with bugs frequently: the system couldn't see battery level, so it just died after a while, I had to repair after some days of use, I never met any bug with it on Linux, in Gnome settings it correctly reports its battery level.

[–] Vash63@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah, but contrast that with the PS controllers that have an official driver in the kernel written and maintained by Sony employees. It's a world of difference in official support.

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[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Damn, now I want to know what’s worth hiding in your garden

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

(that's what he calls his penis.)

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Weird… “edible friend” is what I call mine

[–] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)
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[–] waigl@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Pretty sure he just doesn't want to get doxxed...

[–] jeffw@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

Yes, thanks for killing the joke

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (5 children)

For Steam Deck users, my Xbox controller worked like shit on it until I updated it, but to update it I had to use either an Xbox (didn't own one) or a Windows computer (also didn't have one), so I had to borrow a mate's laptop just to update it and play some multiplayer games.

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[–] rarkgrames@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

I had to install a firmware update in my Nike trainers not long after I got them. Welcome to the future.

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Damn that sounds pretty dystopian to me. I don't think I would ever let a company literally track my every footstep.

[–] SnugZebras@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

And yet, we all have smartphones in our pocket tracking our every footstep.

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[–] Thekingoflorda@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Phones are generally able to do that, right?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

To what end? Why is there a computer in your shoes?

[–] can@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

To teach the computers who's boss with each step

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[–] roofuskit@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

My vape has firmware updates.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Of course! It's too hard to write the firmware correctly the first time.

[–] Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world 26 points 10 months ago

That’s not stopping most car manufacturers from never fixing bugs in their software.

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[–] kidney_bean@lemmy.ml 7 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If that surprises you wait until you learn what happens if you have an Xbox Controller and do not update the firmware for some time. It might just start crashing your window manager (component of the Windows operating system) at random times for some reason and the games you are playing just suddenly minimize one or two times per hour.

Have I mentioned I try to use Linux wherever the software I want to use is available for it?

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/all/dwmexe-crash-ismdll-fault/b435d32c-f827-4c23-8f27-2b52f4187de9

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[–] kratoz29@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

Yes they can, and I updated it mine, which I bought only to play with my Android phone (I don't have an xbox) and then Call of Duty Mobile didn't detect it anymore.

[–] DustyNipples@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

My TV remote had an update the other week! Sony Bravia Android TV

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

What's the benefit of updating a controller?

[–] BuddyTheBeefalo@lemmy.ml 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The triggers now go to eleven.

[–] thechadwick@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

But, why not just update them so that 10 is higher?

[–] PoastRotato@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

ITT: Marketing specialist vs engineer

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Or a rock star vs a reporter

[–] sonovebitch@lemmy.world 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The same as any other piece of hardware+software:

  • New features

  • Vulnerability patching

  • Bug fixes

[–] DudeDudenson@lemmings.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You forgot:

° bricking the device when the manufacturer feels like you should buy the new thing

[–] Snapz@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Yes, thanks... for nothing?

Obviously speaking specifically to the case of a controller here (whereas the typical had been a fixed product that more or less functioned as expected for a lifetime).

"New features" is meaningless drivel on its own... what are the "New features" that can and have been delivered to main platform game controllers solely from OTA firmware updates? What are the bugs that have been fixed, specifics amigo...

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 10 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Had to do it recently, because my Steamdeck couldn't use it. One firmware uodate and it worked like butter.

[–] ripcord@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

I would really hate if my controller worked like butter.

Guess it depends on the game.

[–] Dirk@lemmy.ml 10 points 10 months ago

Compatibility to newer consoles or other hardware in general, for example.

[–] TwanHE@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Updating to BLE and breaking old wireless adapter support, looking at you Xbox

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 4 points 10 months ago

Xbox controllers may need a firmware update to work on Linux.

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