People can turn away from supporting a war pretty quickly when it suddently reaches your doorstep.
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Or they can become more in favor of it.
Yeah suddenly the "nazi" regime is "attacking". When you see yourselves as the heroic liberators, being attacked on your home turf comes across as evil aggression, instead of what it really is. 0.0001% of the pain you've inflicted being returned to you.
That was my take, given Putin history of the checyen false flag I was almost thinking false flag to get home support, it is only the fact Kyiv, while not actively admitting, still hint at responsible that changed mind. It does seem a odd tactic going for such a dense civilian heavily defended area for little advantage in stopping war machine.
That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can't think of a single example. When war is on the doorstep support for your own side typically hardens massively.
The times where populations have turned against wars have always been when the troops are fighting far away from home in lands that the home population feels they shouldn't be dying in.
This will only make people cling to support for the military because they rely on it for personal safety.
That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.
Russia in 1917
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That is not what has ever happened at any point in time historically, I actually can’t think of a single example.
There are countless historical examples of cities and nations surrendering without a fight when faced with attack. Just look at the Mongol conquests for an obvious starting point.
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It usually has the opposite effect and hardens resolve
Press X to doubt.
Everyone is a badass until bullets start whizzing by your ass.
Idk man, humans are wild. WW2 germany fought for a loooong time after the war had really been lost.
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The damage is pretty mild compared to the ruins that Russia created with their missiles on major ukrainian cities. If moscovits are shaking bacause 10 windows of a single story got damaged, they are invited to ukraine and see what they are doing to the civil population there.
When mosquito is a nuisance, but 1000 mosquitoes is a real threat.
Good shit Ukraine, hope you figure out ways to counter their counters.
Good.
Video of the drone attack: https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1685482924987056128
surprised pikachu
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Any facts or verification that this was actually done by Ukraine? Seems like it’d be pretty on point for Russian propaganda to throw a few drones at themselves to whip up fervor. Not to mention the fact that it could’ve been done by partisans in Russia itself. I’d label either of those more likely than Ukrainian attacks on civilian infrastructure.
The fact that Ukraine claims responsibility is a pretty strong indicator. Who else do you think would have done it?
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The West insisted that their weapons are not to be used inside Russia. I don't think Ukraine would want to risk the supply of weapons for small political gains.
The Beaver is Ukrainian produced.
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When I first heard the news I actually automatically assumed that's what had happened.
I hope it didn't kill any civilians.
Fair, but also almost strangely off kilter comment? Idk. I hope when Russia bombs Ukranian cities no one gets hurt but that clearly doesn't happen. Hate to 'whatabout' you but one solid strike against Moscow is hardly triggering my sympathy for them.
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Can someone explain how they can fly drones that far?
Or is it someone stationed locally who's soing the control?
Probably both, but yiu can fly a drone a lot further when it is a one way mission and yiu don't need to save energy to fly it back.
yeah, I'd guess like 2 times further lol
These are partially remote human guided missiles
Wasn't there a point where if Ukraine took the fight and crossed the Russian border, that Nato and Ukraines supporters would withdraw their support?
Yes. The very first one of these suicide drone attacks Ukraine still denies it was them lol
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