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[–] Frozzie@lemmy.world 78 points 11 months ago (3 children)

So you're saying I can use the semicolon in a different context other than ending an instruction in my Java code ?

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 52 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

Yes, you can end a statement in C or C++ as well.

[–] Perfide@reddthat.com 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And, dare I say it, Javascript.

[–] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 28 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

What the fuck? There are children here. Don't say shit like that.

[–] perviouslyiner@lemm.ee 5 points 11 months ago

or begin a comment in Inno

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[–] n0clue@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago
[–] Heavybell@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

You can also use them to split lists where the items have commas in them. Like if you're saying you're holding a party and you invited A, whom you dislike but would feel bad to exclude; B, who you've not seen in years and really want to catch up with; and C, who is also going to be there.

[–] mihnt@lemmy.world 63 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I shit myself; I guess I'm changing my pants.

[–] mkwarman@lemmy.mkwarman.com 21 points 11 months ago

Great work!

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[–] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 34 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

My 2c is that if the majority of people are confused about the purpose of a punctuation mark or language feature in general, then that feature is not actually fulfilling a useful function. If it was actually useful then people wouldn't be confused, they would just be using it. People would learn it organically and not need it to be explained.

That example sentence would function exactly the same if it was separated by a period, nothing is gained by using a semicolon. No new information is added, you are just going to make people wonder why there is a semicolon there making the sentence less comprehensible.

Its sorta related to the prescriptivism vs descriptivism distinction.

[–] LogarithmicCamel@feddit.uk 32 points 11 months ago

That example sentence would function exactly the same if it was separated by a period; nothing is gained by using a semicolon. No new information is added; you are just going to make people wonder why there is a semicolon there making the sentence less comprehensible.

FTFY. You aren't supposed to separate two independent clauses with a comma.

[–] Snazz@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

I occasionally use semicolons. They can help with parsing; finding a semicolon instead of a period may signify that the next expression is a continuation and expansion of the previous statement.

[–] JackRiddle@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

I fully agree with you. However, I like semicolons. They feel very chaotic because nobody knows what they do exactly.

[–] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 11 points 11 months ago

They separate different clauses that don't necessarily have to be two separate sentences. It can be used in place of a comma where you would follow with but, and, or, nor, for, so and yet.

I have a shirt, but it is itchy.

I have a shirt; it is itchy.

[–] Zoomboingding@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

It's not some kind of linguistics witchcraft 😬 of course some people know how to use them and some don't.

I have no idea why comments like yours are prevalent here; imma head out.

[–] AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

OTOH, a lot people are also confused by vowels that sound vaguely similarly.

People get confused pretty easily.

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[–] timelighter@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"Here is a lesson in creative writing. First rule: Do not use semicolons. They are transvestite hermaphrodites representing absolutely nothing. All they do is show you've been to college."

Kurt Vonnegut

[–] GnomeKat@lemmy.blahaj.zone 46 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's an oddly transphobic/intersexphobic way to express a criticism of semicolons...

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"If you want to take my guns away from me, and you're all for murdering fetuses, and love it when homosexuals marry each other ... you're a liberal. If you are against those perversions and for the rich, you're a conservative. What could be simpler?"

-Kurt Vonnegut

Yeah it looks like the dude had some issues to say the least...

[–] timelighter@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's not his views... that's from an essay where he's parodying the mainstream ultrasimplification of political alignment.

https://inthesetimes.com/article/cold-turkey

You left out some language that I think clears up his ironic tone:

If you want to take my guns away from me, and you’re all for murdering fetuses, and love it when homosexuals marry each other, and want to give them kitchen appliances at their showers, and you’re for the poor, you’re a liberal.

If you are against those perversions and for the rich, you’re a conservative.

What could be simpler?

Totally changes it, doesn't it?

[–] sneezycat@sopuli.xyz 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Oh, interesting. To be fair, Wikipedia left it out (not me), I was actually trying to check if the dude was a bigot or just 200iq ironic.

Still not convinced it's the latter though.

[–] timelighter@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

I've read 12 of Vonnegut's books. He is fundamentally a social progressive, but there are also some moments in some 70s novels (particularly Breakfast of Champions) that I find homophobic. He also has a habit of making women either passive pleasers or full nutso.

But he also explicitly and repeatedly pushes kindness, egalitarian social justice, and willingness to change.

I highly highly recommend every human read Mother Night.

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[–] GBU_28@lemm.ee 3 points 11 months ago

Rules only take us so far, even good rules.

[–] itsnotits@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

what it's* for

[–] malle_yeno@pawb.social 15 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

They're also useful for separating multiple lists when using a comma would make it look like an item is an extended list.

So let's say I want to express:

"My contacts are:

  • Jessica, Cook (as in a job title, not a name)

  • James, MD (as in the professional certification, not the name 'MD')

  • Doug, ABC (maybe to show that Doug works at ABC)"

If I said:

"My contacts are Jessica, Cook, James, MD, Doug, ABC."

There's no clear indication of what is a list member and what is a new list. But this:

"My contacts are Jessica, Cook; James, MD; Doug, ABC."

is a bit clearer. (There are probably better examples but I'm shooting from the hip here lol)

[–] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

They are also a great tool to use in place of tabs or spaces to make java developers lose their minds.

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[–] Dettweiler42@lemm.ee 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

They can also be used as a super comma; because sometime you make a longer sentence, or a sentence with complex clauses.

[–] Coolishguy@lemmy.world 16 points 11 months ago

I'm sorry, but the example in your comment is nonstandard usage. The part after the semicolon would typically be an independent clause, whereas the "because" marks yours as a dependent clause.

There are still comma-like uses though. The major one I can think of is as a separator in a list where each element is long, possibly containing commas of its own.

[–] Cagi@lemmy.ca 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's more of a weak period than a strong comma; both sides of it need to be complete sentences.

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[–] Dasnap@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

I use them when a comma or period seem awkward to use in what I'm writing.

[–] solinus@lemmy.cafe 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (5 children)

em dash supremacy—my friend introduced me to this and i haven't looked back since.

alt+0151 on PC, ctrl+alt+minus for word if I remember right. On mobile you go to more symbols, hold down the minus, and slide to the longest one.

Both require numeric keypad though- but using a minus and a space after can work as a substitute--as well as 2 minus signs (plus Lemmy happens to convert that to an em dash) - but like THAT? treason. absolutely not.

You can even join more than 2 independent clauses together as shown above.

[–] sheridan@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

On Mac and iPad it's option-shift-hyphen.

Also there's the en-dash (option-hypen on Mac/iPad), which is slightly shorter: –

The en-dash is meant for ranges of numbers, e.g., 1990–2023, although some use it like an em-dash.

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[–] Psythik@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

As someone who uses them all the time, I don't understand why people struggle with semicolons; they're not a difficult concept to comprehend.

[–] sheridan@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

What about three, four, or more independent clauses? Is that allowed?

[–] superb@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think so! Go nuts though, rules are for suckers

[–] KingJalopy@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hell, I don't even use semi colon, I go full colon!

[–] usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I think that second comma should be a semicolon. Also, is that an anal sex joke or am I reading too much into it?

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[–] johnyrocket@feddit.ch 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

DELIMITER //

SELECT name, definition

FROM definitions

WHERE name like ';'//

DELIMITER ;

[–] Smorty@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

You people don't use semicolons; I am very surprised. For real though, I like to use the in German class, as it makes me seem fancy and knowledgeable.

[–] andy_wijaya_med@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Never seen any semicolon in any German sentences. And I live since 9 years in Germany.

[–] AceSLS@ani.social 5 points 11 months ago

Neither did I. I am a native german btw (23y.o.)

[–] clay_pidgin@sh.itjust.works 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Arcity@feddit.nl 5 points 11 months ago (3 children)

You can't just say perchance.

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[–] HowShouldIKnow@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I missed the bus; and that is something I will never ever ever do again

[–] oneiros@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Omit the "and", and you've got it; otherwise, a regular old comma would be the right punctuation there.

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[–] Squirrel@thelemmy.club 7 points 11 months ago

Semicolons generally replace a comma + conjunction. So use it instead of the "and" (or "because," "but," etc.) and you're good.

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[–] Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 10 months ago

Semicolons are my favorite punctuation; I love showing off.

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