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[–] EndOfLine@lemmy.world 132 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Not the first time people "bought" digital media only to have it taken away.

Physical media or local downloads is the way to go.

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 55 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Apple did it to apps I bought years ago, Microsoft has done it with Live Arcade games I can no longer redownload, and Nintendo closed their online stores to consoles they stopped supporting. The only store I can think of at the moment which doesn't seem to fuck people is Steam (perhaps Epic but it's too new to cast opinions on).

[–] Zorque@kbin.social 23 points 11 months ago

Epic fucks people in other ways.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 11 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The only store I can think of at the moment which doesn't seem to fuck people is Steam

About that...

[–] AceBonobo@lemmy.world 23 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Not exactly Valve's fault

"To be fair, with the servers shutdown, the game would have been impossible to play anyways. This isn’t simply because it’s an online-only game. In fact, Order of War: Challenge has 18 single-player missions as well. But due to always-online DRM, even the single-player portion of the game requires the servers to be up and running."

[–] mPony@kbin.social 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I guess it's the Always-On DRM that's the issue. Best get rid of that entirely, or force developers to disclose IN LARGE PRINT if a game has it, like they did with parental warning stickers in the late 1980's. And I mean FORCE, as in "you can't be on Steam/whatever because you have unnecessary DRM"

I can still play World Of Goo any time I damn well choose because I paid for it and I own it and the developers were probably not inherently evil humans.

[–] SomethingBurger@jlai.lu 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I can still play World Of Goo [...] and the developers were probably not inherently evil humans.

Well, both creators of WoG are former EA employees, so...

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Also, at the end of the article:

"Update: It appears that contrary to what I first believed, the single-player portion of the game---Order of War without the "Challenge"---is still available on Steam, and only the multi-player content has been removed."

[–] ABCDE@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Square fucked people about there, making it impossible to play.

[–] Herowyn@jlai.lu 49 points 11 months ago (3 children)

No DRM is the way to go, physical or digital. Some physical DRM can revoke the licence on the disk (like Blu-ray)

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 41 points 11 months ago (1 children)

And don't forget shit like Flexplay. The no-return rental DVD that self-destructs after ~48 hours. How ecological. Thankfully it was discontinued in 2011.

[–] GONADS125@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Not to be confused with Flexi Disc, which was essentially a CD-sized vinyl record with a sample track, that used to be inserted into magazines. Especially big in russia.

The sound quality left a lot to be desired. He's a very rare Slowdive track with a banging tempo that was only released on Flexi Disc.

[–] user224@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Warning: You left tracker in the YouTube link: https://youtu.be/TyePtIPTfB4?si=GgCtvVl-npQWAAGM

This is just the video link: https://youtu.be/TyePtIPTfB4

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[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

*coughs in pirate*

[–] PlexSheep@feddit.de 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

when 4TBs are 50-100€, you bet your ass i'm gonna host a jellyfin server for the entire family.

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[–] topperharlie@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I had to change my email/account with google and couldn't port the apps in the gplay store. This was mostly due to having a google domains that did many years ago, but still didn't get any solution when I explained that to the google customer service. It was clear to me that is not worth wasting a penny there.

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[–] pHr34kY@lemmy.world 85 points 11 months ago (5 children)

Sony should invent a way for people to buy a movie, own it, and be able to store it on a shelf or something. Maybe we can even lend them to friends or start a library.

[–] Lemminary@lemmy.world 50 points 11 months ago (1 children)

What do you mean "lend"? They won't buy it themselves?? Corporate blasphemy!

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[–] b3an@lemmy.world 37 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Something round and flat and blue. If only that technology existed 😩

[–] LucasWaffyWaf@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You could even like, use a really high frequency of laser rays so that you can pack as much data on that blue disc! Maybe we could trademark this. I'll call it High Definition DVD.

[–] b3an@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

I wasn’t expecting that HD DVD throwback. Cracked me up!

[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 27 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Wasn't it SME that constantly came up with the dumbest fucking DRM garbage on their CDs that made you unable to play them in regular media players?

[–] SHITPOSTING_ACCOUNT@feddit.de 36 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] DarkThoughts@kbin.social 7 points 11 months ago

Thank fuck for Kazaa at the time.

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[–] FlavoredButtHair@lemmy.world 59 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

So they're promoting piracy, because that's how you promote piracy.

[–] Betazed@lemmy.sdf.org 38 points 11 months ago

This is the unfortunate reality of current intellectual property. Anytime you don't have a copy of something directly in your possession, either as a physical object like a BluRay, or digital file(s) on digital storage only you control, you don't really own it. You're just borrowing it, or more strictly speaking, you're purchasing the right to access it until the agreement between the creator company (i.e., WarnerDiscovery) and the hosting company (i.e., Sony) expires.

When issues like this come up, there are right ways and wrong ways to handle it. This is an example of a wrong way. Google's handling of the Stadia shutdown was an example of the right way. Any game you purchased on Stadia was refunded to the original payment method, not store credit, at the price you paid giving you the ability to reacquire the game on another platform and/or in another medium. They even refunded in-game purchases of things like premium currency (e.g. silver in Destiny 2, or crowns in Elder Scrolls Online) which was a great bonus because you got that whether you had spent the in-game currency or not so it was essentially free.

Personally, I'd like protection like what Google offered to be legally mandated for the purchase of streaming content. Sony has little choice in the matter if WarnerDiscovery won't renew the streaming license. Legally, they must revoke access to the content, but currently they can choose to not compensate users who lose access to the content through these legal machinations and that's what I have a problem with.

[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago (3 children)

This is as good of a time as any to tell you guys that future Oscar winning movie, Barbie, is now also available on Blu-Ray and DVD, physical copies that you'll always have if you want to watch it again.

[–] LifeInOregon@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Blu-Ray discs can carry mandatory software updates that change the functionality of playback devices, add “protections” against “piracy”, and could potentially revoke licenses of content on other discs.

Media companies are prepared to screw you over regardless of wether or not you but content from them. I do believe in paying for content, but I don’t trust any modern distribution to last, so I have a couple backups of all the media I’ve ever purchased. And for formats that make it difficult to back up, I sail the seven seas.

[–] OttoVonNoob@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Blue ray only lasts 25-40 years on average. Just pirate it xD.

[–] skeeter_dave@sh.itjust.works 18 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Hard disk drives will last even less. The lubrication will dry up and the disk will seize way before the 25 year mark.

Bluray is a fine back up media, I use them for stuff on my NAS that I cannot lose like precious pictures of family and friends. Not all of us live on am abandoned salt mine with perfect temperature and humidity for long term tape storage.

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[–] MargotRobbie@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Or... you could buy multiple copies of the Blu-Ray so that if one copy fails, you'll always have backup Barbies at the ready.

[–] echodot@feddit.uk 8 points 11 months ago

No they'll all fail at the same time 25 to 30 years in the future.

You need to buy multiple copies and place each one in a deep freeze, then thaw each one out as the previous one fails. It's the only logical response.

[–] tb_@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The physical discs degrade overtime. Getting 10 copies now won't stop that, even if one might outlast another for a bit.

[–] EarMaster@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago (2 children)

So I need 100 copies then?

[–] AeonFelis@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

What's the half life of a Blu-Ray?

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[–] Hiko0@feddit.de 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] Ultraviolet@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

This is actual theft. If they want to go on about piracy being theft, justify this first.

[–] hal_5700X@lemmy.world 14 points 11 months ago (1 children)
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