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Lawyers for the 14-year-old and her parents say that American “knew or should have known the flight attendant was a danger.” They say the failure of other crew members to confiscate the employee's phone allowed him to destroy evidence.
Well that's pretty damning. Makes me wonder how many other times this flight attendant has done this.
Tf?
Do you see that image, look how fucking visible the flash is and it’s in the dead centre of the seat. No way a 14 year old would not see that giant arse phone stickers to the lid.
Also
The family said an FBI agent later told the girl’s mother they did not arrest the man because they did not find any incriminating images on his phone.
Innocent until proven guilty, and allegedly he’s been cleared by the FBI. Yet you’re here acting like he’s guilty, has a history of this, and should never have been hired.
Ummmm Was that an employee's phone taped to the toilet seat? Criminals being unbelievably bad at crime is not a defense. The FBI can't arrest somebody without evidence, but nobody is claiming that they didn't tape a phone to a toilet seat.
Of course! Let's consider the following extremely reasonable options:
The attendant accidentally left his phone in the bathroom (with the flash on, or no passcode so a malicious 14 yo could turn it on). Kid goes in the bathroom and hatches a plot. Peels the sticker perfectly off broken seat lid, attaches the phone, and takes a picture of it.
Same as above, but the girl finds a pad of the stickers and a sharpie also left on the bathroom, thereby removing the need to peel. OR she carries her own pad of the united broken stickers and a sharpie.
The kid pickpockets his phone on the way by and either of the options above. Roll for dexterity!
The bathroom was so dark at the start of the flight, our good Samaritan flight attendant tapes a phone with the light on under a broken sticker (even though it's fine to use) and writes seat broken on it just so everyone is aware anyway. Everyone can now see and doesn't fall in.
All completely sane and reasonable alternatives to assuming an unnamed individual (who is not getting publicly maligned because he's unidentified) was trying to add kiddie fun bits to his spank bank.
Or it’s a parents phone, staged for a photo being why nothing was found on the accused’s, not that anything was ever taken.
In which case there is no traction for police or anyone else and this doesn't become an article. Flight attendant says "no my phone is right here" and it's all done. This theory doesn't hold water.
That one would be easily refuted by the other flight attendents since the complaint claims he was given his phone back. One assumes no one is refuting his phone was in the bathroom at least.
And did anyone ask them to back up the claim for the news article?
We don’t even have one sides story let alone others involved in it.
If you read the article, it seems the phone was most definitely the flight attendants.
Seems to be a civil lawsuit, so the standards are different. The investigation is also ongoing. Obtaining the photos is unlikely the only crime. Attempting to obtain the photos is also likely a crime. The FBI agent is not the judge of what is our is not illegal.
The flight attendant was not identified. They are not getting paid, but that is fully different than being punished for a crime (still has a negative impact on them.)
Ah, about destroying evidence - last I checked, it's not as simple as just deleting stuff. So (if investigators get their hands on the actual phone, if they get a decent digital forensics expert, if Apple cooperates maybe) there'll be evidence of both the root crime and the crime of trying to conceal it.
How exactly is one supposed to just know someone's a criminal? And what do they think the flight attendants job description is?
Throw the guy in jail, terrible it happened. But I dont see how they're gonna get anywhere in that lawsuit
How do you know this guy is guilty and should be thrown in jail?
Innocent until proven guilty only applies in the courts. For everywhere else, it seems to be guilty until proven innocent, and sometimes still guilty despite proof.
That's because most people are complete fucking morons.
It's nothing something we should ever remain silent on and let be acceptable.
Especially if it's a man being accussed
The whole point of the lawsuit is that they couldn't find evidence because the other flight attendants gave him his phone back after he'd been caught. They're suing because he committed an obvious offense against a minor, and the employees didn't take the accusation seriously enough not to let evidence get destroyed.
The criminal case may be a lost cause now, but the evidence we do have is pretty damning and does warrant a lawsuit against the company that enabled what happened.
This is the most stupidest criminal ever.
The camera is a "iPhone taped to the toilet".
That is hilariously bad
If I hadn't read what the photo is about, I would think it's just a notice that the seat should not be used as it's, eh, "broken" as written, and the phone with the light is there as an additional joke. But whatever.
Seems pretty damning assuming the girl’s story is true.
Can anyone link the complaint?