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[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 60 points 10 months ago

frakes called berman a fucking coward for not making him do a gay kiss on tv btw

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 31 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Frakes was a gigachad back then and way ahead of his time.

[-] HornyOnMain@hexbear.net 54 points 10 months ago

unlimited gayroller-2000 on conservative star trek fans

[-] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 36 points 10 months ago

CHUDs are upset with Jeri Ryan for doing an interracial lesbian kiss scene in Picard. I am upset with Jeri Ryan for indirectly launching Barack Obama into the national spotlight. We are not the same.

Then again, I guess she also indirectly saved us from the inevitable Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton combo. shrug-outta-hecks

[-] LENINSGHOSTFACEKILLA@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

I am upset with Jeri Ryan for indirectly launching Barack Obama into the national spotlight

wait, what?

[-] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 21 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Jeri Ryan's ex-husband, Jack Ryan, was not only a sex pest, but the Republican candidate for an Illinois US Senate seat back in 2004. Due to said sex pest shenanigans and the resulting scandal, he dropped out of the race, thus all but forfeiting the race to a relatively unknown Illinois state senator by the name of Barack Obama, who handily beat the replacement Republican candidate. This was the same year that Obama delivered the keynote address at the Democratic National Convention, which put him on the party's radar for 2008. If he hadn't won that seat, Clinton probably would have had the Dem nomination in 2008.

[-] CTHlurker@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

Clinton vs. McCain would have been one hell of an election though. Just two different imperial officers calling each "gay" in increasingly obscure ways.

[-] axont@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

That episode is good but I have mixed feelings on it. I still don't really understand the moral it wants to present. On one hand, it does explore gender and what it entails to get ostracized for not conforming to social gender norms. On the other hand, the normally pro-justice Enterprise crew (except for Worf and Riker) allow a literal gender conversion therapy to occur because that's what this alien race does in its culture. That part never sat with me well. For anyone who hasn't seen it, the aliens in question come from a society that has abolished gender entirely. Any gender expression is regarded as mental illness at best and anti-social criminality at worst. Riker falls in love with an alien who wants to express feminine traits, then becomes a renegade, and is then given some kind of psychological treatment to "fix" their gender non-conformance.

The alien Riker falls in love with has their brain scrambled, tells Riker they were sick and have now been cured. Most of the Enterprise crew just shrugs at this, says these aliens simply do things different.

It never sat with me because A) it's expressing queer identity in reverse. As in, what if there were a society where being non-binary is normal and being cis-het is weird. The show could have just been more on the nose about this, because it makes the non-binary aliens come across as dominating, inflexible, and cruel. They could have just explicitly made an episode about normal queer issues.

B) the "it's just their culture" never sat with me well either, since aliens in star trek are usually meant to represent human social issues. These aliens clearly represent human issues regarding gender, and yet the Enterprise doesn't take the correct moral stance except for two of them.

Anyone else feel weird about this episode? I still like it, it's just odd.

[-] Findom_DeLuise@hexbear.net 29 points 10 months ago

It's another one of those "the Prime Directive is a bunch of LIB bullshit" episodes.

[-] robot_dog_with_gun@hexbear.net 18 points 10 months ago

iirc it was supposed to be a gay allegory and it reads like a trans literalgory because society moved on.

[-] KarlBarqs@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

It's definitely Not Good, but a lot of that comes from the time it was written and the producers being completely against anything queer. At one point Roddenberry wanted gay background extras in a single scene in an episode where Picard goes to Risa, and even that was vetoed by the producers.

I'd like to hope a modern redo of the episode would be handled more tactfully, but given it was the early 90s, any mainstream gender identity stuff would've been wild to see on TV, bad as it is today.

[-] Othello@hexbear.net 28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

re education camps will start with an english class

[-] SkingradGuard@hexbear.net 11 points 10 months ago

re education camps will start

sicko-wholesome

with an english class

sicko-no

[-] AcidSmiley@hexbear.net 27 points 10 months ago

This absolutely needs a CW for transphobia.

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 25 points 10 months ago

"Hi my name is Science Fiction, I've been used to explore and comment on the human condition for a century. Some of my most famous works are deeply philosophical and allow both reader and author to discuss subjects without the baggage of a contemporary or historical setting!"

I sure hope this dumbass transphobe dislocated their shoulder trying to reach for that "lol it's fake" Ben Shapiro ass reply.

[-] Rom@hexbear.net 24 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Because as we all know Star Trek stories (or science fiction broadly) are famously never allegories for real world issues. No, the curtains are blue and nothing else.

Also somewhat relevant:

cw mild riker/hornyposting

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

"It was fiction" is often "it's just a game" in how it is used. By that I mean it's like a Swiss army knife for chud rhetoric.

[-] Timberknave@hexbear.net 10 points 10 months ago

Bio of our little Chuddy, slight transphobiaFreedom Loving Navy Veteran, happily married. Conservative snark, challenging transactivist nonsense and comments on movies and games are what you'll find here

You are not snarky, you are just a burger clown that punches down! Hope your hubby cheated on you while you were away on baby's first imperialism cruise

Anyway, how do you insult the marine mercenaries of Burgerlandia?

[-] Awoo@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

"freedom loving" but not for everyone.

[-] Timberknave@hexbear.net 4 points 10 months ago

funnily enough, for a long time liberty was defined as not being enslaved or not being tied to the soil like the peasants and having privildges (liberties) over them

[-] silent_water@hexbear.net 5 points 10 months ago

Istg they think more about trans people than actual fucking trans people

[-] windowlicker@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

wow i actually took psychic damage from reading some of her retweets

[-] Tripbin@hexbear.net 6 points 10 months ago

also tbf Riker was a straight up himbo. Himbos aint got no time for discrimination.

[-] windowlicker@hexbear.net 3 points 10 months ago

waiting for this chud to realize that not everything in science fiction is inherently fiction by being in a fiction story. humans are not fictional because they are featured in science fiction. typical american media literacy tbh.

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