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[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 49 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

I can relate to that loser in many ways, but I think the biggest hurdle that prevented me from fully taking the show seriously or it having any impact on me was the scale of the larger problem.

Like yeah, he was depressed, lonely, and abused, but at the same time… there are also literal demons about to the end the world. Yes, yes I know they’re metaphors for whatever. But come on. You cannot make the problem so grand, so earth shattering, and expect me to care about his depression. It’s the equivalent of feeling sorry for Jesus because he got nailed to a cross - suck it up, or else we all suffer.

Unironically, get in the fucking robot.

Though I guess this circles back to the problem of Omelas. Hmm rust-darkness. I looked this up to see if anyone had made more coherent analysis comparing the show and story, but surprisingly, not many.

[–] AlpineSteakHouse@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago (4 children)

"I would like to end the world because my father is a dick"

Get in the robot Shinji. This is literally the fate of all mankind, including yourself. Your options are to let everyone die and then you die 3 minutes later or get in the robot, be scared, and possibly live.

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[–] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

I think that's part of it? Like I haven't seen it but Shinji's choices are objectively wrong but also make sense because he's a flawed human. So you're supposed to disagree with him but also sympathize but also disagree with him.

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[–] D61@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

Unironically, get in the fucking robot.

You mean, "get in your fucking mother"

homer-bye

[–] frogbellyratbone_@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

I can relate to that loser in many ways,

the fucking shooter whaaaaaaat?

I think the biggest hurdle that prevented me from fully taking the show seriously

oh

[–] JuryNullification@hexbear.net 48 points 11 months ago (1 children)

🖐️

I’m so fucked up

[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago
[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 39 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I wanna make a show called Evangelion Proto-Revelation, where Shinji REALLY WANTS to pilot a giant robot but his loving father won't let him cuz it's too dangerous. Also he has a healthy relationship with his red headed roommate despite the mild sexual tension between them.

[–] GalaxyBrain@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

That's a pretty normal sounding anime

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[–] abc@hexbear.net 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

ASUKA HELP ME PLEASE ASUKA HELP ME YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO CAN HELP ME (SINCE I DON'T KNOW WHERE REI IS)

[–] oktherebuddy@hexbear.net 38 points 11 months ago (1 children)

REI is just down the street but how would a snappy pair of Lowa hiking boots have helped Shinji

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[–] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago

Terminal stage rebounding. shinji-screm

[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 35 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But does he condemn hamas?

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[–] Mokey@hexbear.net 35 points 11 months ago

This is the parkland shooter interrogation, the kid was a fucking piece of shit. I believe in restorative justice, not for him. I dont care about what led him there.

[–] ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 27 points 11 months ago (5 children)

I often can't believe some Japanese guy thought of this and was ok with making it. Like, really dude?

Then I think of some American guy who wrote the book "It".

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (10 children)

[CW: child SA]

spoilerJAPANESE CHARACTER AFTER JERKING OFF IN FRONT OF A COMATOSE GIRL: "God I'm so fucked up"

AMERICAN CHARACTERS AFTER HAVING A CHILD GANGBANG: "This was totally a necessary scene"

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 32 points 11 months ago

American author being interviewed about writing that scene: "I wrote that? Jesus I need to quit cocaine!"

[–] corgiwithalaptop@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago (1 children)
[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago (2 children)

done

pls don't banish me to the corgi dimension soviet-bottom

[–] pooh@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

pls banish me to the corgi dimension soviet-playful

[–] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago (2 children)

In the corgi dimension all the corgis are on the other side of a wall with only a small narrow window to look through so you can't even see that many of them at once

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[–] Prometheus@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

The explanation I've always heard was that it was his response to otakus jerking off to anime characters. I.e. women who can't hurt you with rejection. This is who he sees them as.

From an article in which he is interviewed:

Anno understands the Japanese national attraction to characters like Rei as the product of a stunted imaginative landscape born of Japan’s defeat in the Second World War. “Japan lost the war to the Americans,” he explains, seeming interested in his own words for the first time during our interview. “Since that time, the education we received is not one that creates adults. Even for us, people in their 40s, and for the generation older than me, in their 50s and 60s, there’s no reasonable model of what an adult should be like.” The theory that Japan’s defeat stripped the country of its independence and led to the creation of a nation of permanent children, weaklings forced to live under the protection of the American Big Daddy, is widely shared by artists and intellectuals in Japan. It is also a staple of popular cartoons, many of which feature a well-meaning government that turns out to be a facade concealing sinister and more powerful forces.

Anno pauses for a moment, and gives a dark-browed stare out the window. “I don’t see any adults here in Japan,” he says, with a shrug. “The fact that you see salarymen reading manga and pornography on the trains and being unafraid, unashamed or anything, is something you wouldn’t have seen 30 years ago, with people who grew up under a different system of government. They would have been far too embarrassed to open a book of cartoons or dirty pictures on a train. But that’s what we have now in Japan. We are a country of children.”

[–] WithoutFurtherBelay@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Holy SHIT that is a reactionary ass take.

"Waaa we can't murder and kill people for our fascist country and that's why people read Dragon Ball in the subway." grow the fuck up dude, not a single functional adult cares about someone reading Dragon Ball in the subway.

I mean, most functional adults care about people reading pornography in the subway, but the misogynistic norms that imperial Japan ~~probably I don't know history that well~~ reproduced had a lot more to do with that being a thing than any vague non-materialistic idea that not being able to have a standing army magically lead to people acting like children.

Also who cares if they're "children", ffs. Not a remotely materially relevant thing. Just a vague distaste for someone's vibes.

[–] ksynwa_from_lemmygrad@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

“Japan lost the war to the Americans,” he explains

They lost it to China and the Soviet Union. But maybe losing the inter-imperialist rivalry hit them different.

[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 47 points 11 months ago

The Americans occupied them and rebuilt them into the neoliberal monstrosity they are today.

[–] charly4994@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The US specifically wanted to avoid the Soviets from entering the Pacific Front because they didn't want them having any possible claims to Japan and potentially having to split the land akin to Europe. Pretty quickly after the US occupation there was a sizable communist movement seeking to gain power through election where they expected the US to hold up their public statements of freedom and democracy. In the end though the US cracked down on the leadership and essentially destroyed the movement. Though pretty pathetic now, the Japanese communist party still receives a decent chunk of the vote, though obviously nothing to actually disrupt the neoliberal hell.

[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

the US specifically asked the soviet union to enter the war in the pacific at the Yalta Conference

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[–] Dolores@hexbear.net 20 points 11 months ago

i think destroying the fleet of an island nation and blockading it was pretty major when japans armies were overseas

[–] Great_Leader_Is_Dead@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Tbf the whole point of that movie is that Shinji is a horrible person who ends up totally broken due to his inability to even try and confront any of his demons.

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[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago (14 children)

The difference is that Evangelion is actually good unlike anything King ever wrote

[–] Cherufe@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

King is hit or miss but by sheer quantity he has more great books than many writers in their whole catalogue

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

Stephen King struggle session! Stephen King struggle session!

I’m not going to defend that part of It, of course. And he’s written a ton of crap that tends to follow along with when he got sober (good for him, but bad for his writing). But I gotta say, books like The Stand, ’Salem’s Lot, The Shining, and the first 4 Dark Tower books especially 1 and 4…. more than any other books I’ve read, I was unable to put them down. Like, I would try and find time on the toilet or waiting around some to find out what happens next. He absolutely knew how to tell an engaging story. And as someone else said, like him or not he defined the modern horror genre.

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[–] RyanGosling@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think the show ever sympathized with Shinji. Well, at least I don’t sympathize with him and I didn’t interpret the show that way.

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[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Kids nowadays know everything about evangelion but nothing about John the evangelist 🙏

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[–] Moss@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

The Shinji pose is so funny and I've seen so many cosplays of that one specific pose

[–] CriticalOtaku@hexbear.net 19 points 11 months ago
[–] spacecadet@hexbear.net 16 points 11 months ago (11 children)

It's a great show. Modern anime sucks. Prove me wrong!

[–] Egon@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

luffy-pog One Piece good
FMA good
Mob Psycho 100 good
Other stuff probably also good, I haven't seen it
Hellsing cool. Pure vibes.
Castlevania was also good.

Anybody got some good non-shonen to recommend? When I say good I mean good and not "yeah it's good for an anime".

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[–] LaGG_3@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago

Define "modern anime"

[–] sooper_dooper_roofer@hexbear.net 18 points 11 months ago (20 children)

prove me wrong

Promised Neverland and Made in Abyss

I'm not sure why people are obsessed with Evangelion, what happened to make it some sort of "meme anime"? I never found it to be remotely popular while growing up, or even in the early 2010s when I did a lot of anime watching

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[–] Moss@hexbear.net 17 points 11 months ago

On top of all the ones mentioned, shoutout to Vinland Saga, that slaps

[–] silent_water@hexbear.net 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

studio trigger has some bangers. kill la kill and promare stand out as amazing leftist anime that directly call for revolution.

one piece is also leftist and clearly calling for revolution but it's long and will take a couple more years to wrap up.

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