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[–] emidio@lemmy.blahaj.zone 190 points 1 year ago (14 children)

I know it's a shipost and this meme is at least 15 years old. But meat, cheese, and white bread (especially the ones in the US with added sugar) were never healthy

[–] realcaseyrollins@kbin.projectsegfau.lt 32 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Since when is meat unhealthy?

[–] Aldrond@lemmy.world 24 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Although high in nutrients, the difficulty in digestion makes it a carciogen. Particularly red meat - bird and fish (pre omnipresent plastics and heavy metals) are relatively healthier.

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[–] Hextic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fr meat is the reason we have big brain.

Now if you wanna argue that we should have never left the trees and created civilization then you may have a point.

[–] Cralder@feddit.nu 39 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The dose is the poison. Meat in the amount we consume today is unhealthy. In the past people didn't eat meat every day or even close to it.

[–] toxic@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That doesn’t inherently make it unhealthy. We have the means to not have to eat the animals we slaughter immediately due to refrigeration.

[–] docmark@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

The frequency and serving sizes are what make it unhealthy. Coupled with an increasingly sedentary lifestyle and one of the best/easiest decisions you can make to improve your health is to cut back on meat, especially processed meat products. Proccessed meat is definitely, 100% unhealthier than cuts from your local butcher.

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[–] habanhero@lemmy.ca 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Specially processed meat, cheese and bread. In the case of fast food these ingredients are basically "hacked" to make us crave more and consume more. These industries have "food scientists" working on exactly that.

Meat, cheese and bread in their more natural form is definitely healthy when consumed in moderation.

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[–] SSUPII@sopuli.xyz 95 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am extremely sure if you make a burger by yourself with good ingredients it will be just as healthy.

Beware of the added sugars in things that aren't supposed to have that much sugar.

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

*calling meat, cheese, and bread healthy*

wow that food pyramid propaganda really did a number on you all didnt it.

Edit: im talking about the meat and dairy industies lobbying too, not just bread

[–] abraxas@lemmy.ml 30 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

It seems odd putting meat in the same category as bread.

In terms of pure health, there's not much out there better than most meats. Yes, beef is a bit lower than pork and chicken, but properly portioned (looking at most of us Americans) it has very few downsides.

Bread on the other hand can be one of the worst foods we can eat. Of course, it is still all about moderation.

EDIT: Why the reddit-like downvotes folks? There's really no cohesive argument that puts meat below bread healthwise in most situations. If you want to avoid meat, avoid meat. If you want to be morally opposed to anyone eating meat, so be it. Facts are still facts and misinformation isn't the right way to fight that battle.

[–] gummybootpiloot@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Bread can be healthy, just make sure it's wholegrain. Read meat is acosiates with bad health outcomes..

But yeah nobody is going to put a wholegrain bun on their hamburger.

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[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 42 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Of course. The unhealthiness of food is an emergent property arising from the arrangement of their constituents components relative to each other. The next time you have a burger and want to be healthy, just take it apart! Taps head

In all seriousness, for anyone confused by this, whether or not something is healthy for you is all about quantities and ratios. Specifically, that of your diet as a whole, not of individual items. So while I don't agree with this sentiment, burgers can be considered unhealthy because:

  • There is very little vegetables in relation to meat and bread
  • It is very calorically dense
  • Red meat is considered by many to be unhealthy in its own right, and burgers tend to have a lot of that
  • It is usually consumed with large portions of fries and drinks or other sides that are also very calorically dense with little diversity in micronutrients
[–] SomethingBurger@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I'm sick of people claiming calorie dense food is unhealthy. It's not. Calories are required for your body to function. An adult needs 2000kcal per day; whether they are spread out over 8 meals or 3 makes no difference. Eating the amount of calories of a hamburger every day is nothing special, especially if you do sports regularly.

This comment was made by the <20 BMI gang.

[–] TheSaneWriter@lemmy.thesanewriter.com 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Coming from the >30 BMI gang, a lot of the food in the West (especially the United States but a lot of other countries are having this problem too) has a shit-ton of calories and very few other nutrients. That's the biggest problem with caloric density, when food has a lot of calories and no nutrients it encourages either obesity or nutrient deficits.

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[–] shalafi@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

Only thing wrong with calorie dense food is that people eat too much. Guess you could add ignorance in there as well. Pretty shocking when you look at the numbers on the menu.

Not that people actually look. They got every excuse in the world for being fat, except the big one, placing calories in their mouth.

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[–] shadmere@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago

Additionally, eight ounces of steak might be lean. (It also might not, of course.) Eight ounces of hamburger, especially one from a fast food restaurant, is absolutely not lean beef.

[–] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ratios and amount are the most important thing in healthy eating. For reference, vegetables should be more than half your food intake, the rest split between whole-grain carbs and protein (either meat or plant based) in order to be healthy. And we need to pay attention to how much total food we eat too since our monkey brains that evolved under extreme food scarcity don't do a good job of moderating nutrient input.

No I can't keep myself to that either.

[–] psud@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago (10 children)

I'm fat by nature (and environment) so I have examined and tried many diets, and I think I can only say for sure a few thing about healthiness of diets:

  • if you eat carbs, fats beyond what is necessary to eat, are unhealthy
  • If you don't eat carbs you need to eat fats, some fats are better than others
  • If you don't eat carbs and you don't eat fats you starve - to thin then to death
  • Sugar is unhealthy and wrecks your teeth
  • Highly processed foods are not healthy
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[–] croobat@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago

I always thought it was the proportions that weren't healty. You get 50% bread, 50% meat, with a tiny slice of lettuce in the middle.

[–] olutukko@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It's really not the burger that's unhealthy, but the fries and soda you get with them

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[–] thalamus@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

White bread, cheese (at least not the one on burgers) and red meat aren’t exactly known as healthy foods. Definitely not in the proportions of a burger. Even more definitely not when you boil the meat in oil (often together with the onions).

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[–] nodsocket@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Replace meat with bean burger

Replace cheese with guacamole or other sauce

Replace white bread with whole grain bread

[–] NPC@lemmy.world 32 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Never replace the cheese. never. I'll happily let veins get clogged up in 10 years for cheese, cheese is well worth dying a few years sooner

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[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 12 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Yeah, I've never understood why burgers are unhealthy if beef, grain, and vegetables are healthy.

[–] Rinox@feddit.it 23 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

First of all there's a huge gap between home made hamburger and, well, anything else tbh. Actually, let's expand it, there's a huge difference between home made anything and any other kind of food, be it restaurant or assembly line made.

Backing up a little though, if you make a hamburger at home, with lean good quality beef that you grind up yourself or ask them to grind it for you at the counter, lots of veggies and very little oil, on a home made bun or on actual bread (the kind made with flour, water and salt, that's it), then it's quite healthy. Still wouldn't eat it more than once a week since red meat yada-yada, but still, not that bad.

What you get at a fast food though is very low quality meat with lots of fats, dipped in other fats, sugar and spices to mask the flavor, processed bread, processed cheese, very little veggies and, usually, a side of french fries and a soda, which are a meal onto themselves. Let's take McDonald's, looking at their website a quarter pounder is 500+ kCal, the medium fries are 300+ kCal and a medium coke is 200+ kCal. That's 1000+ kCal for a "meal" full of fats, sugar and processed food. Also it's a huge spike in insuline which will lead you to a huge crash just a few hours later leaving you hungry and craving for more.

Restaurants are also a bit guilty of this. They tend to add much more fats than you'd ever do at home in order to drastically improve the flavor of their dishes. Can't even fault them for it, if I wanted a bland healthy meal, I'd have eaten at home. If I'm going to the restaurant it's because I want a great tasting dish. Ready made meals you can get at a supermarket are also full of fats, vegetable oils and preservatives in order to mask the shitty flavor.

So at the end of the day I'd say the best thing is to avoid as much as possible processed foods, avoid all take outs and deliveries, go out to eat maximum once a week and cook all your meals yourself starting with simple ingredients. It's not that hard either and cooking can be fun.

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[–] KairuByte@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Burgers aren’t inherently unhealthy, in moderation. The problem comes when you’re buying the burgers from fast food joints.

[–] heimchen@discuss.tchncs.de 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Beef ain't healthy, White bread isn't either and don't forget, the McDonalds Cheesburger doesn't even have vegetables.

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[–] tryptaminev@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Because the stuff is heavily processed using a lot of sugar, saturated fats and salt. Also the gravy the meat is fried in. Also the poor quality of the meat, being made from god knows which scraps of the animal, that couldn't sell otherwise.

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[–] JH6@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Step one is to ask yourself what you think healthy means. Generally it's used as a catch-all by people to justify whatever shitty diet they have.

[–] Diprount_Tomato@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I think it's because of the quality of the ingredients. If you make a burger with homegrown vegetables and high-quality meat it would be healthy

[–] Conyak@lemmy.tf 7 points 1 year ago

I have great news for you! It ain’t so!

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