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[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 248 points 10 months ago

Flaws:

  • fails to address leap years
  • fails to address 365th day
  • moon cycle will still slowly deviate
  • retains clunky 7-day week that doesn't interact will with decimal counting system

I like it, but I got an even better proposal. Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks. summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle. In leap years, new years is two days.

The 1st, 11th and 21st of each month are now Mondays, so you can tell the weekday of any date. Months are the same length just like in Jesse's proposal, but an even 30 instead of a clunky 28.

I've thought about this a lot

[-] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 131 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Congratulations, you've successfully reinvented the Egyptian civil calendar, complete with the intercalary holidays and all. Literally the only change is to add weeks. And yes, it did work really well, especially since the feast could add or lose a day to adjust to a known reference (the rise and fall of the Nile in their case). I second this proposal to go back.

[-] sirdorius@programming.dev 18 points 10 months ago

Sounds a lot like the French Revolutionary Calendar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Republican_calendar#Months

[-] xenspidey@lemmy.zip 15 points 10 months ago
[-] Kusimulkku@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Leap years and keep years

[-] Fogle@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago
[-] 1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 10 months ago

3-1-4-2 would work and give 70% work to 30% off - currently we have 71.4% work in a 7 day week so it's pretty similar with less friday burnout

[-] Fogle@lemmy.ca 1 points 10 months ago

Should just be 3 2 3 2

[-] r00ty@kbin.life 4 points 10 months ago

Weeks should have ten day weeks, and each month should have 3 weeks.

Here's why I'm going to say no. It's because businesses would just rip us off by turning the working week into 8 days and just retaining the 2 day weekend.

No, and double no.

[-] demonquark@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

That’s very pessimistic. It assumes that there is a corporate led reform. Which is unlikely. If it was a grass roots campaign, the call for change would include a weekend proposal from the start. By the time businesses come around to supporting it, the weekend will alredy be defined as 3-work-2-off, or 7-work-3-off.

[-] enki@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Businesses don't have the power to do that if we collectively tell them no. But that being said, how DO you split up a 10-day week keeping the same basic ratio of "weekend" days?

Three weekdays, followed by a single "weekend" day or mid-week break, then four weekdays followed by a two-day weekend?

[-] xeekei@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

What names shall we give the new weekdays? Because I was thinking maybe we should rename a few existing ones, so no weekdays start with the same letters. Then they can be abbreviated to their respective first letters.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Weeks should have ten day weeks

And instead of calling them "weeks", we could call them by the much more self-explanatory term "tendays".

summer/winter solstice and the spring/autumn equinox as well as new years day are special holidays that fall between months and interrupt the week cycle

You can simplify it a little bit by putting the intercalary days between months, rather than using them for the solstices. We can put Midwinter between January 30 and February 1 and Midsummer between July 30 and August 1, in the northern hemisphere.

For the sake of putting it in a more user-friendly location, our leap day should be in the summer for the northern hemisphere (where most of the population is). So put it the day after Midsummer.

The only thing I would do differently from the Calendar of Harptos is that, like you, I would use New Year's Day as the 5th annual intercalary day.

[-] Hexarei@programming.dev 3 points 10 months ago

Intercalary is one of those words I never expect to hear outside of the https://app.fantasy-calendar.com userbase

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 1 points 10 months ago

Ok, I've never heard of that site before, but I am definitely in its target market. Thanks for sharing!

[-] Hexarei@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

You're very welcome! It's ultra useful for my dnd campaigns, I try to share it any chance I get

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago

the equinoxes and solstices are roughly 90 days apart anyway so we can do both :)

Calendar of Harptos actually influenced my post hehe

[-] Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

The 365th day is new years day... duh.

[-] dQw4w9WgXcQ@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

I don't see why 7 day weeks are bad in regard to the number system. We rarely need to divide the days of the week into equal portions. Remembering 1, 8, 15 and 22 as mondays would be trivial after a while.

You also claim that failure to address the 365th day and leap years is an issue, but your proposal also includes several cycle-breaking days. So the same issue would persist.

Moon deviation isn't something I really worry about, but having a period which almost align with the cycle seems useful. It would be easy to just examine the initial phase within the month to chart out the rest of the month.

However, I think the biggest flaw is that the calendar would be divided into 13 equal parts, which sucks to divide into typical use cases, i.e. into 2 parts. You could split the 7th month, but it's not really elegant. Dividing the year into 3 or 4 parts would be a mess.

[-] SpeakinTelnet@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Current workforce is schedule around a 7day centric week. It's far easier to reorganize where the weeks fall in the year than changing the structure of a week. Suddenly the workforce would have segment of work overlapping between weeks, it's an organizational nightmare.

The international fixed calendar did propose a solution for the 365 days and leap year but it's basically out-of-the-week holidays.

[-] burgersc12@sh.itjust.works 1 points 10 months ago

This is what I want! Fuck, this has it all! Its beautiful!

[-] intensely_human@lemm.ee -1 points 10 months ago

Weeks should have a prime number of days. It’s not wise to be dividing weeks up.

[-] Norgur@kbin.social -1 points 10 months ago

Any solution that has some form of "oh those days? Nah, we don't count those" is disqualified immediately in my book.

[-] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 4 points 10 months ago

laughs in Egyptian...

They had 5 or 6 intercalary holidays to celebrate the new year and adjust to the rise of the Nile (and we'd adjust it to astronomical time with leap years). It actually worked really well, and kept the people happy with a 5-day rest and celebration each year (something this world could definitely use).

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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 46 points 10 months ago

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I mean it also benefits salaried employees, 13 months means 26 pay periods

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

But you typically get paid an amount per year, divided between pay periods. You work the same amount, get paid the same amount overall, and get more pay periods at the expense of less pay per period

[-] GissaMittJobb@lemmy.ml 23 points 10 months ago

The prime factors of 365 is 5 and 73, hence a month should either be 73 days and there should be 5 of them, or there should be 73 months with 5 days each.

Mathematical perfection!

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Yes also 364 days from 13x28 would not align with years around the sun. We'd still need a leap year with 5x73 but that's easier than correcting from 364.

[-] name_NULL111653@pawb.social 1 points 10 months ago

12x30, 5 or 6-day intercalary (government-mandated) days off for rest and celebration of Yule + New Year's (just make them all December 31-35/6).

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 18 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I just wish the Earth turned a little slower so a year has 360 days and each day gives you a clean one degree of angular movement (or we defined a full revolution around an axis as 365 degrees since 360 is arbitrary too as far as math is concerned. Actually, anyone know why we didn't do that?)

[-] Saik0Shinigami@lemmy.saik0.com 32 points 10 months ago

360 isn't as arbitrary as you think and was chosen specifically for its divisibilty. 365 doesn't divide well by much of anything.

[-] HiddenLayer5@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

Ah. Fair enough then.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 16 points 10 months ago

I just thought of something that could be better,

Scrap months altogether, just divide the year into quarters of 13 weeks each, name them for the seasons, Winter, Spring, Summer, Fall, there isn't really a reason why we need months specifically, if it's to shorten date numbers then count by week number and day number

Day/Week/Quarter/Year

Today's 7/8/4/23

[-] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago

Seasons vary by hemisphere, and it's counterintuitive to force half of the glove to accept summer as winter or winter as summer.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 10 months ago

Nothing stopping the other half from just flipping it to match their seasons, that's what they do already, and the number for date stays the same anyways

[-] Ashe@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago

I work and converse with people globally, as much as I love the idea of being able to use seasons as a marker of time like that, it's just not possible.

Now let's work on names for this 13th month.....

[-] bloup@lemmy.sdf.org 15 points 10 months ago

I like 10 months each with 6 weeks of 6 days each for a total of 360 days and a 5 day holiday at the end of every year (6 days during a leap year)

But Jesse really has opened my eyes to the possibility of a lunisolar calendar.

[-] RandomStickman@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

The Chinese clanander is lunisolar. It has alternating 29 and 30 day months and a leap month once in a while to catch up with the seasons and such.

[-] potterpockets@sh.itjust.works 11 points 10 months ago

In keeping with tradition though we can only do this if we add the new month after August and name it Tiber.

[-] ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

For The Emperor!

[-] ScrotusMaximus@lemmy.zip 2 points 10 months ago

Lousy Smarch weather

[-] sirico@feddit.uk 10 points 10 months ago

Lousy Smarch

[-] reverendsteveii@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

itt: 13 * 28 = 365.25

[-] autumn64@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 10 months ago

Aztec and mayan calendars iirc was 18 months of 20 days each and 5 extra days at the end of the year.

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

So here's what'd be a better alternative when considering seasons and quarters

March, June, September, and December are all 35 days long, every other month is 28 days long.

Day 365 is Year's End Day outside of the Calendar months, and Leap Day is an additional holiday inserted before January 1st when it happens.

The last adjustment I'd make is the Saint Monday plan, which is to say, make Monday a weekend day.

It's named after the moon, you see the moon at the end of the day, so the moon's day is the end of the week!

[-] SlopppyEngineer@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 10 months ago

Or you'd make every season and quarter just three months and one week. Seems easy enough to work with.

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