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[-] Stamets@startrek.website 102 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

More expanse crossovers please <3

Also if I were to choose a character from another Sci-Fi to name myself after, it would be her

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 45 points 10 months ago

She's even more badass in the books.

[-] Naja_Kaouthia@lemmy.world 31 points 10 months ago

Truth. I thought the show turned Naomi and Holden into twats but they did a pretty good job with Chrisjen. I’m still mad about the Arjun bamboozle. Arjun 1 is best Arjun.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 29 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah they chose weird edges to soften. Make Amos less intimidating and batshit? No sir, my boy is supposed to be a crayon eater restrained just barely by Naomi, Holden or his love for children.

[-] Naja_Kaouthia@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago
[-] Fedegenerate@lemmynsfw.com 3 points 10 months ago

That's what we call in the industry "foreshadowing".

[-] schmidtster@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

I feel like most of it comes from the lack of forced perspective in the show. You never really see stuff from certain characters angles like you do in the book.

The show could only show a generic third person perspective, you never really got holdens insights from the chapters from his perspective, or Naomi’s from hers. So they kinda blurred together in the show I found.

[-] Naja_Kaouthia@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

This is a good point. We never get that internal monologue from Holden like in the books. In the first season, at least, I feel Ike they stripped out that key component from Holden’s personality where he would talk before he would fight.

[-] teft@startrek.website 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

~~Brian George~~ Dr Bashir's dad is a gem. I wish he had stayed as Arjun. That new guy felt so off.

[-] rosymind@leminal.space 24 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I'm almost 40 and I wanna be Avasarala when I grow up

[-] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 14 points 10 months ago

Seconded. The Expanse is an untapped goldmine of strong characters and weirdness.

[-] iturnedintoanewt@lemm.ee 9 points 10 months ago

Pity that the actor for Alex had to fuck it up for everyone.

[-] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 8 points 10 months ago

Damn sex pests. That was so disappointing. He did some damage but hopefully his shitty behavior doesn't ruin the part of the show he's not in.

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[-] Chetzemoka@startrek.website 9 points 10 months ago

I chose a deeper cut Expanse reference, but in truth I'm Avasarala in public, Naomi in my heart

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 58 points 10 months ago
[-] troyunrau@lemmy.ca 52 points 10 months ago

She is pretty much the best character on the show by virtue of being the best cast actor. Wow what a good choice. I give a close second to Amos.

[-] tobimai@startrek.website 17 points 10 months ago

Also Drummer

[-] BillyTheSkidMark@lemm.ee 14 points 10 months ago

Thomas Jane was also fantastic. Same with Jared Harris. Shame they couldn't secure him for later appearances, his character is great and he did the belta accent so well.

[-] Magnetar@feddit.de 4 points 10 months ago

Jared Harris is great in everything.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

He really is. He was great as Moriarty opposite Robert Downey jr., and he killed it as Valery Legasov in Chernobyl.

EDIT: He also had a short bit in a show called "Carnival Row", I'd almost forgotten.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

interesting. I haven't engaged in any online dialog about the expanse so maybe this is a super unpopular opinion but I felt the actor seemed really uncomfortable with the swearing and didn't start off as that kind of character and just weirdly changed one episode

Amos on the other hand was incredible. He, Drummer, Draper and Miller really carried that show.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 38 points 10 months ago

I like how every modern Star Trek show just ignores the silly idea that everyone has given up swearing in the 23rd and 24th century.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 42 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Most trek shows were on primetime network television. Once they went to streaming, the swearing came back. 

Although, even during the primetime network era, we got plenty of alien swearwords, mostly in Klingon. One or two in Romulan.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Yeah, but that was said in a movie where they could potentially have sweared as much as they wanted to. Or at least acknowledged that 'dumbass' wouldn't be some shocking thing to a guy from the future.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

True, however, we did get Data blurting out, “Oh, shit!” when Troi crashed the Enterprise saucer section into Veridian III in Star Trek: Generations.

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, it's like the transporters. They were originally made due to the limitations of making a TV show (budget didn't allow a landing sequence every episode) but they've become an established part of the universe now.

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 10 points 10 months ago

I laughed out loud when Spock went "OH F...." and then they cut to the title in STNW.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

SNW is getting better with its sense of humor.

Now, PIC… apparently, the 25th century is the century of the potty mouth! It’s old man Picard and old man Riker dropping f-bombs left and right. Even old lady Seven getting in on the fun.

[-] popekingjoe@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

My favorite instance of swearing is in one of the TNG movies (can't remember which one cuz it's been forever) when the Enterprise is going down and Data looks up at the viewscreen and the land is coming up fast and he just shouts "Oh shiiiiiit!"

[-] Hasuris@sopuli.xyz 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I like the old shows more because everyone acts appropriately to their rank and station. In the new shows a captain can go like "fuck this ima go punch someone and act super emotional and irrational" because that's what a star fleet captain or anyone star fleet would actually do.

Right. And nobody cares because he's the best man for the job for some reason.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 6 points 10 months ago

I also miss professionals exploring space, solving problems with science and diplomacy, engaged in intriguing stories that explored the complex moral and ethical issues of the day instead of just blowing shit up all the time and with some superficial lip-service pandering to certain social issues just to appease fans but without much more lasting presence than mere tokenism and self back-patting for the effort.

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[-] Blackout@kbin.social 28 points 10 months ago

You can hear O'Brien cuss up a storm under his breath if you turn your volume up really loud

[-] RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

Not falling for that Kai Winn jumpscare again...

[-] AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

We need an episode of Celebrity Deathmatch for Delores Umbridge vs Kai Winn

[-] MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca 12 points 10 months ago

The lack of swearing wasn’t originally part of the "utopian ideal", it was in fact censorship from the broadcasters.

[-] 7of9@startrek.website 7 points 10 months ago

The universal translator autocorrect used to be turned up to high. Probably for the best.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 6 points 10 months ago

Now they just have a universal bleeper, at least on the Cerritos

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[-] stephfinitely@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

Best actress for the roll

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 27 points 10 months ago

She'd make a formidable Badmiral. Maybe they can get her for an episode of SNW

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 3 points 10 months ago

Isn't she Bashir's mother?

[-] alansuspect@aussie.zone 12 points 10 months ago

I looked it up. No, but Arjun is his dad!

[-] frezik@midwest.social 12 points 10 months ago

She was Commodore Paris in Star Trek Beyond. She might be the (great?) grandmother of Tom Paris.

[-] tias@discuss.tchncs.de 6 points 10 months ago

She is also a friend of Tali's dad in Mass Effect. Tali calls her Auntie Raan.

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[-] Blackout@kbin.social 25 points 10 months ago

She sounds like it hurts to talk

[-] hashferret@lemmy.world 23 points 10 months ago

So you know she means it.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 19 points 10 months ago

That's what happens when you smoke three packs a day.

[-] xusontha@ls.buckodr.ink 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

idgaf

I totally agree tho

She's a girlboss though

[-] maniclucky@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

She sounds like she came out of the womb actively smoking. And I love her for it.

[-] whileloop@lemmy.world 10 points 10 months ago

This feels like something that could be brought up on Lower Decks.

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