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Hey everyone, since total cumulative donations for the last 3 months were less than $200 (~ $60/month), even though PornLemmy has an average of 250k uniques per month with peaks of 300k+, I have dropped plans for improvements (new frontend + backend tweaking) and will only spend $60/month worth of time and resources on PL. I won't put ads or gather personal data for profit, but I am open to selling to someone who will. Imagining zero growth, I'm targeting an ARPU of $0.005 amortized over one year, BTC. You can contact me at pornlemmy@gmx.com .

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[–] appropriateinside@lemmynsfw.com 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

As a matter of price:

250k uniques. How is this measured? How many are from other instances? How many from mobile apps? How many on desktop? How many are actually unique? How are you counting users?

$0.005 ARPU is quite dependant on how users are actually measured. How long do they stay? What % drops off after how many navigations? What does your engagement look like?

Is this assuming 250k unique hits is 250k revenue generating users? What is the time frame for you ARPU?

There's a lot to know if this is being used like a product and you are trying to sell it as such.

As a matter of taste:

This sounds like the objective of starting the community was money 🤔

Having limited time & resources makes sense, life just be that way, but essentially saying "donations aren't enough to purchase my time" indicates a whole other motivation that's inherently counter productive to the platform IMHO.

I'm sure you have your reasons, but the post is kinda snobby about it.

This needs more details!

[–] alex@pornlemmy.com 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

saying “donations aren’t enough to purchase my time” indicates a whole other motivation that’s inherently counter productive to the platform IMHO.

I’m sure you have your reasons, but the post is kinda snobby about it.

Here's a lightbulb moment: stuff costs money and time, even if it's on the internet. Whatever you get for free isn't free - either you pay to get something from a provider, or the provider makes money off you in some way. I don't want to go the second route, and the 250k visitors have voted with their wallets so the first route is closed. Do you feel in some way entitled to my and PL's team time and resources? Have you contributed in any way to PL, financially or otherwise, so you can have a little say of its future? Or is this a "Entertain me, peasants" mentality?

[–] appropriateinside@lemmynsfw.com 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Here's a lightbulb moment: stuff costs money and time, even if it's on the internet. Whatever you get for free

Alex. It's entirely unnecessary to be this hostile. I host websites, services, and build software for a living. I'm well aware of the time & resource costs of doing this... I made no claim otherwise.

I clearly approached this with good faith, asking specific, pointed, questions to surface important facts about this instance. NONE of these where answered or addressed.

I offhandedly mentioned the taste of the posts tone, and moved on saying "You probably have your reasons" to indicate I'm not attacking you. It's just my opinion, and moved on.

Do you feel in some way entitled to my and PL's team time and resources? Have you contributed in any way to PL, financially or otherwise, so you can have a little say of its future? Or is this a "Entertain me, peasants" mentality?

  • Nowhere did I make any claims of entitlement.
  • Nowhere did I complain about the content.
  • Nowhere did I attack, discredit, or trivialize the resource it takes to run the instance.

You're attacking ghosts and lashing out at me. I understand you probably have gotten a lot of flak running an instance, but that's no reason to be so hostile and insulting.

Especially if you're goal is to actually sell the thing.

The important thing here, the bulk of my previous comment, is what matters. Do you have additional information for those questions?

If you're serious about offloading this instance, then lets focus on the things that matter here, which are the facts about the instance, not the egos?

How it this measured? How is it trending? What is the actual dollar value you are evaluating this at? What are the operating costs?

[–] squid_slime@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Just made requested account on pornlemmy, I will promptly delete after reading that you'd be willing to sell to advertisers

[–] alex@pornlemmy.com -1 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yes, that's what happens when users don't support the platform. With Lemmy, there's an unspoken convention that admins make their site available to users with the same stability and performance as the big names but without any of the bad parts like tracking or ads, and the users donate to keep it that way. The PornLemmy team has done its part, but out of the 300,000 users only a single digit have shown support, so it is a you reap what you sow situation.

[–] Oakgoengos@pornlemmy.com 4 points 9 months ago

Unpopular opinion: Lemmy instances like this one should have ads.

[–] squid_slime@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

Its not a secret that Foss more often than not won't pay the bills, if that's what you want then you need a product with a different licence, also your instance is centred around porn on a decentralised platform, you'd had a better chance for funding with a more generic instance.

Hopefully a porn company will pick this up from you.

[–] Thorman1@pornlemmy.com -1 points 11 months ago (1 children)

does this mean pornlemmy isn't upgrading to 0.19? Can you please update to 0.19 So we can easily export our subscriptions to another instance just in case?

[–] alex@pornlemmy.com 1 points 11 months ago

I'll update it to 0.19, but it won't be very soon. (most likely after the holidays)