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[–] guyrocket@kbin.social 61 points 1 year ago (73 children)

OK, I'll bite: What systems reward kindness?

[–] bstix@feddit.dk 50 points 1 year ago (3 children)
[–] CluckN@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

How else do you play golf?

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[–] Masimatutu@mander.xyz 25 points 1 year ago (5 children)

For one, hunter-gatherer tribes before the rise of civilisation were most certainly built on kindness and cooperation

[–] Quacksalber@sh.itjust.works 51 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Except towards other tribes. Can't have them clear our hunting grounds, now can we?

[–] BarrelAgedBoredom@lemm.ee 34 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Check out The Dawn of Everything, puts to rest a lot of the myths about prehistoric societies that we tell ourselves. Early societies were consciously experimenting with different social arrangements and they were far more peaceful and egalitarian than we usually give them credit for. Their ideas on property were vastly different than ours as well. There wasn't really an "our hunting grounds" to speak of. If you're interested I'll leave this video by Andrewism about human history. It's well sourced and pretty informative

[–] Lesrid@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago

Turns out to have warring tribes you need to be organized enough to carry out a war.

[–] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Jericho had walls when most of the rest of humanity was nomadic hunter-gatherers.

City walls generally weren't built because people feel safe and secure already.

[–] rchive@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago

I think it sort of depends on what time period we're talking about. Jericho and other walled cities came about after a certain point. By then, there certainly were societies that lived off raiding the less nomadic agrarian societies, not very peaceful or egalitarian.

[–] Masimatutu@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (23 children)

There was plenty for everyone since there were a lot fewer people, plus there were no real territories that people claimed over longer periods at all since we were nomads.

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[–] Grayox@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Agrarian Revolution really was where humanity started going downhill.

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[–] angrystego@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's not just about systems, It's about conditions. Certain conditions make certain strategies more profitable - see game theory. I think low population density and hard life conditions cam lead to kindness being among the winning strategies.

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[–] BackOnMyBS@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

criminal diversion programs

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[–] Damaskox@kbin.social 19 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm glad that there is goodness in the world as well!

It might be a bit hidden away, but I encourage y'all to look closer and feel its might! ❤
And go ahead and create some more yourself!

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[–] ComradePorkRoll@lemmy.ml 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Let the greedy fend off for themselves in the desert and see how far it gets them.

[–] LinkOpensChest_wav@lemmy.one 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

They've always been handed everything, so they lack any useful survival skills, and they would definitely perish in the desert.

So I say it's a great idea.

[–] NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (25 children)

That's not capitalism, lol. Modern life has left the majority of people without any real survival skills.

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[–] clearleaf@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago
[–] TheSanSabaSongbird@lemdro.id 5 points 1 year ago

Meanwhile, the problem with communism is that it relies on everyone having aligned incentives on a nation-state level, which is a pleasant fiction and can only be achieved through authoritarian coercion.

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