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U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken is warning Israel that it risks destroying an eventual possibility for peace unless it acts swiftly to improve humanitarian conditions in Gaza for Palestinian civilians as it intensifies its war against Hamas.

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[–] Cockmaster6000@sh.itjust.works 54 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Bro I don't think Israel wants peace. It wants the Gaza strip and the rest of Palestine too.

[–] AnarchoDakosaurus@toast.ooo 29 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Of course not, but Biden admin is panicking because if the Israeli's keep this going eventually the de facto regional war that is going on will become a de jure one.

They are pretty much begging Isreal to not erode any more of their legitimacy in the middle east and globally. It is not working.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

United States influence in the middle east is finished and won't recover for a generation.

The Isrealis don't listen to them. The Arabs no longer listen to them. Other world powers (China and Russia) are increasing their influence.

It's over.

[–] Aleric@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Good riddance, the United States was a shit hegemon, although its potential replacements are shit too.

[–] mlg@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

tbh I wish at least one president would try intimidation by using all that free defense aid as some major leverage.

Of course that would never happen because presidents take good care of their respective lobbyists, even if its abundantly clear they will be losing the next election.

[–] sirboozebum@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

George Bush (the elder) did put an arms embargo against Isreal.

Clinton attacked him for it during the 1992 election.

[–] LadyAutumn@lemmy.blahaj.zone 12 points 1 year ago

Didn't they release a document this week being like "Yeah we want all Palestinians to get the fuck out of Israel, they can go to Canada or some shit"?

I mean it's no surprise. They have never been subtle about their genocidal intentions.

[–] roguetrick@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

Biden's positioning himself to be an "ally to Israel" but not to Bibi. Bibi's a sinking ship. They don't actually care about anyone in Gaza though.

[–] erranto@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Unfortunately the populas still believes in Press declaration and official statements. while what is being discussed and agreed behind the curtains is the Total opposite of that.

[–] badbytes@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Israel never wanted peace, only genocide. Sad they wish to eradicate all others.

[–] Shardikprime@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Here is a list of peace offers which would grant the Palestinians a country of their own, they refused all of them

1937 - Peel commission, rejected

1947 - Partition resolution, rejected

2000 - Camp David, rejected

2001 - Taba, rejected. Arafat starts the second intifada and a year later changes his mind.

2008 - Olmert offer, rejected

Hamas have tried to agree to boundaries Despite media attempts to portray it as a new Hamas charter, it is not. The new ‘policy document’ accepts the creation of a Palestinian state in 1967 borders, but still rejects Israel and claims its territory. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-39775103

Here are some other noteworthy peace meeting or proposals from Israel to the rest if the Arab world, which were rejected

1919: Arabs of Palestine refused nominate representatives to the Paris Peace Conference.

1920: San Remo conference decisions, rejected.

1922: League of Nations decisions, rejected.

1937: Peel Commission partition proposal, rejected.

1938: Woodhead partition proposal, rejected

1947: UN General Assembly partition proposal (UNGAR 181), rejected.

1949: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNGAR 194), rejected.

1967: Israel’s outstretched hand for peace (UNSCR 242), rejected.

1978: Begin/Sa’adat peace proposal, rejected (except for Egypt).

1994: Rabin/Hussein peace agreement, rejected by the rest of the Arab League (except for Egypt).

1995: Rabin’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

2000: Barak/Clinton peace offer, rejected.

2001: Barak’s offer at Taba, rejected.

2005: Sharon’s peace gesture, withdrawal from Gaza, rejected.

2008: Olmert/Bush peace offer, rejected.

2009 to 2021: Netanyahu’s repeated invitations to peace talks, rejected.

2014: Kerry’s Contour-for-Peace, rejected.

Not gonna link Trump’s imbecilic peace plan as an example.

Here is a list of peace offers ~~the Palestinians~~ the governing body of palestinians offered to Israel -

None

[–] TinyPizza@kbin.social -1 points 1 year ago

So maybe your saying they had this coming?

[–] gkd@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago
[–] autotldr@lemmings.world 2 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


TEL AVIV (AP) — U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken warned Israel on Friday that it risks destroying an eventual possibility for peace unless it acts swiftly to improve humanitarian conditions in Gaza for Palestinian civilians as it intensifies its war against Hamas.

“There will be no partners for peace if they’re consumed by humanitarian catastrophe and alienated by any perceived indifference to their plight,” Blinken said, even as the call for a temporary pause without the release by Hamas of Israeli hostages was swiftly rejected by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who said Israel would be “going with full steam ahead.”

The comments to reporters in Tel Aviv, following meetings with Netanyahu and other senior officials, amounted to some of the Biden administration’s strongest warnings to Israel since the brutal Oct. 7 rampage by Hamas that killed more than 1,400 civilians and soldiers.

He described being moved by additional video he’d been shown in Israel by the Hamas militants who carried out the attacks, including a father killed in front of his young children.

In his first public speech since the war began, Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah said his group had “entered the battle” with the past weeks’ unprecedented cross-border fighting.

But the complexity of the situation — and of Blinken’s push for Israel to consider a pause — was laid bare on Friday when Netanyahu, after leaving the meeting with the American official, ruled out the possibility of a cease-fire “that doesn’t include a return of our hostages,” referring to some 240 people Hamas abducted during its attack.


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