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[-] Neato@kbin.social 74 points 11 months ago

Unfortunately bankruptcy has been disempowered strongly. There are quite a few types of non-dischargeable debt like court rulings and student loans in the US. Credit Cards are definitely dischargeable but bankruptcy has also been made as painful as possible for working people.

Credit scores, created in the 80s, are required for any type of borrowing. Bankruptcy effectively denies the filer any type of credit or loans that aren't extremely predatory and costly. You effectively have to live 7 years without credit cards, new student loans, auto loans, mortgage, etc. Which, for many people under water might not be different than they live now, sans the credit cards. But in the absence of easy revolving credit, you may still need to borrow money to avoid eviction or your power being cut. In that case, your main option is going to be payday lenders. A service so corrupt and predatory it'd probably be classified as a criminal enterprise in the past.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago

I know someone who has delcared bankruptcy at least twice... each time she was showered with ads for credit cards and auto loans. Apparently the thought process is "this person can't declare bankruptcy again for x years, so we're safe."

[-] Neato@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

...wtf? If a person has declared bankruptsy, sure they can't discharge again but their credit score is so trash they could just ignore creditors. As long as it isn't worth it to take someone to court, they have less incentive to pay.

[-] CandleTiger@programming.dev 20 points 11 months ago

My MIL declared bankruptcy and after that she was awash in credit card ads. What you say makes sense but it doesn’t square with what I saw.

[-] Neato@kbin.social 14 points 11 months ago

Well, that's unexpected but I guess CC companies are willing to risk it. Especially if they know that CCs are the only viable option they have and they can offer penalty APRs with little pushback.

[-] InputZero@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

I've had extended family members declare bankruptcy several times and they're still approved for a credit card. Whereas I have never missed a credit payment in my life have a hard time getting a line of credit. I don't get it, the system is broken.

[-] TurboDiesel@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Same thing with my mother; she started getting pummeled with cc mailers within 6 months of her filing.

[-] theFibonacciEffect@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago

Wow, that is very harsh that not even bacrupcy can cleanse your student loans. For court rulings it makes a little bit of sense, but this...

[-] airehiso@lemmy.world 39 points 11 months ago
[-] Jay@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

I came for this.

(That's what she said)

[-] Gigan@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Destigmatize using credit cards to fund a lifestyle you can't afford

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 46 points 11 months ago

Existing is a lifestyle most cant afford at this point, but ok.

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[-] slazer2au@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

But what about all those reward points I am missing out on? If I spend big now, in a decade I may be able to cash them in on a shitty kettle.

[-] Gigan@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Credit card companies: "We'll give you 1% cash back and charge 25% interest"

Americans: "Wow 1%! This is a great deal!"

[-] hamburglar26@wilbo.tech 1 points 11 months ago

Part of the problem is you have to build credit to buy a house or car, and cards are the best way to do that.

But for many it is easy to get behind and they will eat you up quick. The whole system sucks.

[-] Gigan@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

You don't need credit to buy a car, only to finance one. I bought my current car used and with cash and plan to do the same for my next one. Cars are a terrible thing to finance because they lose value so quickly.

If you want to build credit for a mortgage, use it to pay for a recurring monthly payment like car insurance or a phone bill. Pay it off every month and dont use it for anything else.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You don’t need credit to buy a car, only to finance one. I bought my current car used and with cash and plan to do the same for my next one. Cars are a terrible thing to finance because they lose value so quickly.

Yet another example of how car-dependent zoning is a trap. Imagine the financial freedom people would have if they didn't "need" a car in the first place!

[-] Gigan@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago
[-] CommunityLinkFixer@lemmings.world 4 points 11 months ago

Hi there! Looks like you linked to a Lemmy community using a URL instead of its name, which doesn't work well for people on different instances. Try fixing it like this: !fuckcars@lemmy.world

[-] Grayox@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago
[-] Aux@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Why do you need a credit to buy a car? You don't.

[-] hamburglar26@wilbo.tech 4 points 11 months ago

You don’t as long as you have enough cash to get something and keep it running. There is a huge market for predatory car loans for people that need a car but have shit credit.

[-] Aux@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

A car is a privilege, not a right. If you can't afford it - use a bus instead.

[-] SkybreakerEngineer@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago

Except for Alex Jones, because he deserves all of that and worse

[-] Yawnder@lemmy.zip 1 points 11 months ago

"Destigmatize unilaterally decide that you will not repay what you willingly borrowed, because fuck other people", nice.

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

I mean, I paid what I borrowed, and they're still saying I owe nearly that much. Reality doesn't jive with what you're saying when interest rates are so high that it crushes you into a hole just for borrowing.

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