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The neoliberal mantra:
Yeah, we're shit. But what are you going to do, vote Republican?
In real life some of those people just won't vote. I'll never understand why the blame isn't put on the candidate for low voter turnout.
It just sucks neoliberals have shown time and time again that they're fine ignoring anyone to the left of them because they feel entitled to their votes. Even tho it's clearly not been working for decades.
Abused minority: attempts to use the only leverage they have to influence policy away from full-throated support of an ongoing genocide
Neoliberals and their useful idiots: "You must want fascism!" 🤦
Considering that literally the only other options would be objectively worse, and would give the openly fascistic party a better chance at winning, are they wrong tho?
I fucking hate the stranglehold on power that the 2 party system gives to both parties, and how it allows them to hold our votes hostage. But at the same time I'm a pragmatist who understands how electoral politics works, and also someone who understands that while voting won't get you to a utopia, not voting can absolutely help push the country farther and farther away (as we saw in 2016).
I'm absolutely not going to be the guy that tries to guilt people into voting against the fascists even if it means holding their nose for a party they don't like (which is where I've landed), but there really isn't a much better option available that isn't directly against peoples' better interests. I'd love to hear where I'm wrong or overlooking something better, but I haven't seen it yet.
That's how first past the post voting works. It sucks, but until that changes it's what we got.
Yeah, except for the fact where even THREATENING to do anything but meekly go along with it gets you ridicule if not outright hostility, no matter how noble the goal.
If you truly think it sucks, why are you vehemently defending it against viewpoints closer to your own than those of the out of touch establishment?
Because we tried that and got Trump. That's the risk here.
More Hillary primary voters didnt for for Obama in his general then there were Bernie primary voters that didn't vote for Hillary in the general. So I don't think saying 'we tried that and got Trump' is truthful at all.
Sticking to the two party system will not stop the next fascist, it can only delay them. Look at the past 30 years of presidents, flip flop back and forth some 4 years some 8 but a new face meant it was the other parties turn.
At some point we need to do something different and if you wanna wait for the better smarter fascist that's learns from Trump's mistakes, you're going to have a really bad time.
No, you tried going along with the neoliberal way of doing things and everything went so shitty for regular people that a lot of those who were already most vulnerable to demagoguery were radicalised to the point of Trump.
I get that not voting for Biden is bad, and so I will, but I'm so very tired of people blaming voters for not being excited for shitty candidates. Give us good candidates for once, please.
Lesser evilists are no small part of why the two party system continues on undisturbed. Free propagandists that are convinced the only way to fix this is to continue to not disturb the system that continues to produce further right candidates every term.
Whats the definition of insanity again?
But my favorite part is instead of doing anything civicly productive, they would rather simply yell at the citizens who don't think and vote the same way they do.
Lesser evilists are no small part of why the two party system continues on undisturbed.
I mean it's literally proven with math that FPTP voting systems descend into duopolies but whatever makes you feel superior
…yeah, I’m sure Trump will have your back…
Exactly. I'm sure they're pissed at Biden for his position on Israel. Justifiably. But Trump already has a track record of being bigoted when it comes to Muslims and already talks about oppressing them, so this seems like cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
I think it’s just shitty they have to choose between their families getting attacked in the Middle East and their families getting attacked in America.
What a terrible system of government.
I agree with you 100%, but that's the reality of the situation. We should have anything but FPTP voting in this country so people like American Muslims don't have to make faustian bargains, but I hope they realize they do have to make that bargain if they wish to retain their rights.
That’s the neat part about this system: Even if they do vote there’s a decent chance Biden still loses and they lose their rights anyway.
This entire world is fucked.
I agree with you 100%, but that’s the reality of the situation.
It's great that voters have to adapt to politicians instead of the other way around.
I never even implied it was great. Reality is often not great. It's still reality and the reality is it's going to be either Trump or Biden barring Trump not being allowed on ballots. So they only have two choices and not voting for Biden is a vote for Trump. That sucks, but that's just how it is going to work in 2024. Nothing is going to change in terms of U.S. elections over the next year and to expect that is a folly.
The reality is that American Muslims are not going to like who is president regardless. I hope they think about who is less likely to oppress them and that isn't Trump.
So, are Democrats going to adapt to this reality?
Or are they gonna demand enthusiastic support regardless of their behavior and start blaming people they already regarded with withering contempt when that doesn't work?
"At least we voted our conscience on Gaza" ~ Muslim Americans as they get dragged off to the MAGA reeducation camps.
Then you completely understand why voting for a 3rd party is not a realistic option for change at the national level and only serves to siphon votes from your chosen party and actively works against the causes you claim to want to promote.
By all means, vote 3rd party in the general, I've done it more than once during contentious elections. I'm not your dad and I'm not looking to convince you of who to vote for, but I'm not going to stay silent when people act like there's no downside to holding their ideals in the face of reality.
Let's be fair. With the Electoral college it doesn't matter, unless you happen to live in a handful of states.
Otherwise, in Minnesota and In Idaho you can vote for whomever the fuck you want since your vote matters as much as a fart on a roller coaster.
Ah yes, the glory that is bipartisan democracy.
Not surprised at all. Biden has been awful with his Israel stance and I honestly can't judge anyone that won't put their vote on him for that.
Pretty sure one can easily blame Trump voters for much worse and much more.
Whether you think he's been "awful" or not, I'm sure there are at least as many who would now consider voting for Biden on the other side of the issue.
You win some, you lose some.
Horse race garbage.
Place yer bets! Place yer bets! 5-to-2! Polls incoming!
. . . Garbage media. 22 paragraphs, most were one sentence. Another insult to democracy.