I came here to say this. Like, they're not wrong.

Warthunder rage intensifies

Yup. It's why the only time I play online games now is with friends or not at all. Even then it's pretty much just co-op against the game rather than against other players. I only have so much energy for gaming and am willing to spend zero of that energy on toxic nonsense.

I’m waiting for some age verification system so that us older gamers can enjoy playing games without having to compete when we don’t want to. I don’t need to feel elite, I need to feel an enjoyable gaming experience without feeling like I’m not doing something right.

I don’t want a guide to tell me the best build for my character, or tell me how much damage I’m doing. I want to figure shit out without having some kid berate me for not “taking it seriously”.

Bring back games for enjoyment, not achievement farming to brag. No one fucking cares how “good” you are at -any- game when you’re my age.

I really like games that have a separate "competitive" section of gameplay....then I avoid it like the plague. I'm a "filthy casual".

I loved shitting on people in CoD and League when I was 11 through 17. Tried to play league now as 25yo and I can see that the noobs that I loved to make fun of just didn't have the time to read guides and study the game 10 hours a day. Anyway, I get shit on nowdays

Aw man, Battlebit is sweaty? That's surprising and disappointing

I agree. I picked it up a few days ago and have been playing, man do I ever get smoked, people are insanely sweaty. I thought maybe it was due to me not playing a ton of FPS games lately and getting a bit older... I decided to play a round of battlefield and did much better. People are sweating their ass off, I'm sure it also doesn't help that I don't know the maps yet.

I want to argue a nuance that toxic overcompetativeness is a meta issue in gaming, not a direct issue with competitive games. Like it's just as toxic to be like overly competitive with casual shit, though you're more likely to be called out as the insane person you are if you're being toxic over say something like animal crossing than if you're playing league.

I do agree with what you're saying though, it probably should just say toxic gamers to cover all of that because this is the internet and nuance has no transmission ability here.

(Tldr; yeah, it probably should)

I might actually be able to answer that: toxic overcompetetive players can't be kept out. As soon as a game is of a certain genre, size, design, they flood the game and complain about it being too easy and having no endgame, therefore being dead. Since toxic overcompetetive players dominate all online channels by sheer time spent alone, they raise the impression of being "what gamers want" while actually like being less than 10% of a playerbase.

So far, every single game that started out as casual has become a playground for toxic overcompetetive players over time thanks to this mechanic. Funnily enough, the usual "you can just play something for casual" is usually being used after invading the casual game and demanding it turning more toxic and overcompetetive.

It's so weird playing games like CSGO and seeing two completely opposite sides of the same toxicity. You have the "try hards" that are toxic to the lesser skilled players, and the toxic players that talk shit about people who "try hard." They're not even necessarily talking to or about each other. A player just playing the objective and doing well will be called out as a tryhard, and a player who is doing pretty well and makes one mistake can be berated by his team for being a noob.

Having spoken with so many gamers who behave like this, I have found one common theme among them: They never played sports or team games IRL. Which leads me to believe the real root issue is a complete and total lack of sportsmanship, since video games do absolutely nothing to promote or teach good sportsmanship.

nothing is wrong for having a competitive mindset and therefore beating weaker casual player. The toxic part there is blaming the casual player for being bad like most (not all) tryhards in some communities. What they didn't know, with such a behavior they actively prevent newer player to access the game cause todays casual gamer could be tomorrows competitive player.

Back in the days before SBMM became the norm, you could have fun playing a competitive game without everyone being sweaty. My best gaming memories are of Halo 3 social games. It was still competitive but you rarely got ruined by full teams of hyper-sweaty no lifes. Even if you got put with people a lot better than you, most times they wouldnt just ruin your game, you could communicate through teabagging and just hang out. But now that CSR and loot box rewards etc are on the line, everyone is a hyper sweat and will just continue to dick on you so they can get their next lootbox faster.

A real answer is my spouse plays them. I occasionally try to get into a game they are playing to spend more time together, but it's so toxic it never lasts more than a few nights.

Well I think there are enough games which attract both types of players and there is a lot of friction. Most Blizzard games fall into that category.

World of Warcraft and Overwatch attracted a lot of casual gamers and it is a shame some competitive players give them a hard time.

Taking World of Warcraft as an example, it would actually make more sense for competitive players to play with their guilds only. But many want to use the random dungeon tool additionally, out of lazyness in most cases, and than go ballistic on casuals.

If you can't deal with players being in a dungeon the first time or doing LFR, than don't use the tool...

I have never bought games upon release, so maybe this explains why I have never enjoyed multiplayer games.

LoL is a esport competitive game, so it definitely breads a competitive player base. Not every game is made for every single person to enjoy. Which is fine.

Plenty of games are released daily that you could instead play that match your wants. If you give more insight outside of "just wanting an easy game", I could sort out list of reccomdations and send them your way.