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Well I'm craving something in this genre but I'm a bit overwhelmed and underwhelmed at the same time. So many titles and yet I'm not sure what to read. Maybe you can help?

I'm looking for something in a high fantasy setting. I'm not too keen on heavy politics and war driven plots (though, I can read that ). What really gets me is interesting characters, good action and magical creatures.

I've loved anything Discworld and I've also enjoyed the First Law books by Abercrombie.

I'm finding that Tolkien, Sanderson and George RR Martin appear on every fantasy list I come across, so if you do recommend something I'd appreciate it be something other than that.

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[–] count_borrell@mander.xyz 32 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I highly recommend the Earthsea book by Ursula Le Guin (I actually recommend all of her books) and the Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser by Frtiz Lieber. Especially if you are looking for something that is a quick read and not a 20 book, 50 billion page series.

Also the Drizzt novels by R. A. Salvatore, while not the same level of quality, are fun.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've read only The left hand of Darkness by Le Guin and I totally didn't cry, you understand? If at any point anyone tells you that, they're disgusting liars trying to tarnish my reputation. That aside, I really enjoyed the book and Earthsea was on my list of potential reads. I've never heard of the other recommendations, will keep in mind. Thanks

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[–] ringwraithfish@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

Ursula K. Le Guin's Earthsea series is a good one. Unlike most authors in this genre who tend to be overly descriptive and feel the need to develop the lore of every squirrel in the kingdom, Le Guin writes really tight, well thought stories, where every word is important to the story.

[–] Nerorero@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)
[–] CheeryLBottom@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

I approve of this message :)

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[–] FATMANinnaOVERCOAT@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The Name of the Wind By Patrick rothfuss.

Still waiting on that third book 5o come out though. It's only been 17 years. It'll happen any day now. 🥲

[–] Senex@reddthat.com 4 points 1 year ago (3 children)

My luck it'll come out the day after I die.

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[–] BraveSentry@feddit.de 12 points 1 year ago

You might want to look at Robin Hobbs' work.

[–] PoorYorick@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago (8 children)

My personal favorites are the Assassin series, starting with Assassin Apprentice by Robin Hobb.

Some of the best most heartfelt characters I have read in any modern fantasy, with a brilliantly unique type of magic and adventure. There is some political intrigue, especially within the first trilogy, but it isn't overly burdened by it.

The whole series has continued to be a heavily character driven emotional roller coaster that I would love to be able to forget just so I could read them again for the first time.

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[–] learnbyexample@programming.dev 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

+1 for Cradle already mentioned. I'd add

  • The Riyria Revelations by Michael J. Sullivan
  • Kings of the Wyld by Nicholas Eames
[–] CheeryLBottom@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I always upvote Riyria Revelations

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[–] Computerchairgeneral@kbin.social 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lots of good recommendations here. I'll just leave some +1s for a few I've seen here that I've enjoyed.

Blacktongue Thief: A thief tries to rob the wrong warrior and gets wrapped up in a quest to a distant land besieged by giants. The first of a trilogy, but the ending gives you enough closure to be a standalone read while also setting up where the story will go. Personally, I enjoyed the first-person narration which gives you a colorful look at a somewhat non-conventional fantasy world, although it's still fantasy. If you liked Abercrombie then you might like this. There's a similar focus on flawed characters trying to do the best they can. There is some war and politics but they are firmly in the background and far from the main focus.

Legends and Lattes: A retired adventurer opens up a coffee shop in a land that has never heard of coffee. I'm not sure if "cozy fantasy" was a thing before this book, but it's been held up as an archetypal example. The plot is low-stakes and focuses on the characters and the difficulties of running a small business. Makes a good palate-cleanser between denser reads. No war or politics.

Kings of the Wyld: A retired group of adventurers has to come together for one last job after their leader's daughter ends up trapped in a city besieged by monsters. Admittedly how much you enjoy this one depends on how novel you find the idea of adventuring groups being treated as rock and roll groups. Like literally being a stand-in for rock and roll bands with groupies, managers, and all of that. I've seen some criticism that the book doesn't have much going for it beyond that which is a bit unfair. Following a bunch of middle-aged heroes past their prime was refreshing and I think the author did some interesting things with the main character who only uses a shield in combat and whose main motivation is to make it back to his wife and daughter in one piece. Very little war and politics.

Also, I don't think he's been recommended but you might want to check out Mark Lawrence's Broken Empire trilogy. Admittedly it's not typical high fantasy and it is somewhat heavy on war and politics, but if you liked the grittier, grounded feel of Abercrombie then you might like it. It is arguably darker though and the main character straddles the line between dark anti-hero and outright villain protagonist for at least the first book. But it might be worth checking out if you really liked the First Law trilogy.

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[–] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

'Glory Road' by Robert A. Heinlein. Takes all the common fantasy tropes and kicks them in the nads.

[–] wombatula@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I love how the other races don't trust Humans, because we are always in "mating season" and they lose their minds during theirs, so assume we are always loopy because of ours.

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[–] red_concrete@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

So many suggestions possible with that prompt.

I might suggest the Vlad Taltos series, starting with Jhereg, by Steven Brust. Reaslistic characters, snappy dialog, interesting premise of human's status in the society, and a pretty far-out series of villains. It comes down to more or less a first person assassin- / intrigue-based plot with cleverly set-up who-dunnit elements here and there, and an overarching storyline, and a good sense of the universe.

Some good suggestions in this thread. If you want even more options - I have been tapping into this Slashdot thread for a decade now, and it's still giving me winners - which might not work for you, mind (e.g ."Little, Big" by Crowley, it led me to "To Reign in Hell" also by Brust, "Jack of Shadows" by Zelazny,)

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[–] richard_wagner@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago (10 children)

Does Stormlight Archive count?

[–] Siethron@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

If you can get past the first 700 pages of book one then yes.

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[–] oascany@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

The Inheritance Cycle by Christopher Paolini! I've read it too many times. It's a really good hero's journey and the characters are all really interesting. Plus it's focused on dragons and magic and elves and dwarves, lots of cool creativity that goes on in the world. And I just really enjoy Paolini's world-building. He's very good at it and it stays consistent. There are two wars that I remember, one is a small-scale thing that sets a lot of events in motion, and the other is the big climax at the end of the series. It's my favourite series next to The Dark Tower. I'd highly recommend it!

[–] Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

I advocate to expand people's thinking of the fantasy genre beyond the usual Euro-centric elves, dwarves, and wizards type stuff.

As such, a fantasy book I recommend is based off of Persian magic and setting is called The Wrath and the Dawn. It is based off of the Arabian Nights legend of that region.

Well, my other recommendation is not a book because it was a web comic, BUT, it fits the fantasy genre. What makes it unique is the fantasy elements are based off of Aztec gods and magic. It is called Leyendas: https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/leyendas/list?title_no=63874

There is another fantasy web comic with middle eastern elements called Suihira The City of Water: https://www.webtoons.com/en/canvas/suihira-the-city-of-water/list?title_no=39385

[–] kyle@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I'll add a +1 to some mentioned:

  • Cradle series - progression fantasy, basically DBZ or Naruto style progression with a magic system, intelligent beasts/dragons, demigods, etc.
  • Night Angel Trilogy - street rat turned assassin with magic. I feel like it leans pretty heavily into fantasy tropes, but they're fun reads.
  • Kings of the Wyld - this book is fucking hilarious. The main characters are basically a kickass D&D group but it's 20 years later, they're old and fat, and have to go on one last epic adventure.
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[–] Unebrion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 1 year ago (3 children)

It isn't so much dragons, but it it is fantasy. The Cradle series by Will Wight is phenomenal. If you're a fan of audio books they are all available in that format also, narrated by Travis Baldree

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[–] ClanOfTheOcho@lemmy.world 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've heard the Wheel of Time stuff is pretty good. Piers Anthony's Xanth novels were popular long ago, but he has sort of disappeared (I just looked him up, and he's probably just retired). I've personally read the Black Cauldron books and enjoyed them quite a bit. Robert Aspirin's Myth books can be fun. Hopefully there is something new to you in that list!

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[–] Senex@reddthat.com 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Tad Williams - Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn trilogy. On par with Tolkien and Martin IMHO

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[–] kromem@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

David Gemmell's Legend.

He was from a rough upbringing and thought he was going to be dying of cancer and wrote a book about an aged hero of old who was now past his prime.

It was a misdiagnosis and he went on to write a lot more.

They are all excellent, and different enough from what you normally end up reading in the genre to be worth a look. There's a bit of a more rawness to his books I really enjoy.

[–] Lodespawn@aussie.zone 5 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Is it safe to assume you've read the name of the wind and wise man's fear? HURRY UP AND FINISH YOUR SERIES ROTHFUSS, please

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[–] Darkrai@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I really liked the Night Angel series, The Way of Shadows is the first book.

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[–] Aviandelight@mander.xyz 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Memory, Sorrow, & Thorn series by Tad Williams is my all time favorite. I also noticed that I relate to different characters as I age which makes rereading it a fun experience.

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[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Powder Mage trilogy is kind of fun. The setting is more late 18th/early 19th century than medieval, and it is far from perfect, but a bit of French revolution era fantasy with magic and gods and stuff never hurt anyone.

China Miéville's New Crobuzon series must qualify as fantasy somehow. It's New Weird, but you have weird magic and grotesquely weird fantasy races living in a fantasy world, so it must count. Also, because Miéville is some flavor of trotskyist you get a fantasy world written from some kind of Marxist perspective, but because it is a fictional world where Stalin never existed you don't have to read 50 pages about how every successful socialist revolution was never real.

What I've read of Robin Hobb has been fun, but it's been more than a decade so take that recommendation with a pinch of salt.

You could also hate read David Eddings, a child abusing drunk of a hack author who hated the genre of fantasy and all of its readers. That's what I'm doing, because I want to examine my childhood idol more closely. This is a bad idea and will not improve your life in any way, but it is something you could do.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks for the suggestions. I'm curious about the last paragraph. You see, I found an Eddings audiobook and I started with it, considering I've seen the name recommended here a few times. I've been thinking it's well written but also really really boring. Is this why you say he hated the readers? Have you figured why he achieved idol status for you during your childhood?

[–] Utter_Karate@hexbear.net 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

He got into writing fantasy because he thought the people who read fantasy would read absolutely anything. He wanted to get as much money as possible for as little effort as possible, and since he didn't consider fantasy to be real literature he figured it would be easier than adventure books about rock climbing, which he had written before, because he had to do literally no research. Reading them as an adult it is obvious that they are very lazily written. Every character has a personality that can be boiled down to a single adjective like "grumpy", "sneaky", "funny", or in one very annoying case "having an axe". This lazy writing however means that because the characters never really have much to say about anything things can move at an incredibly fast pace. This is what I liked as a child.

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[–] ChiefSinner@lemm.ee 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Eyes of the dragon by Stephen King. Its an excellent fantasy novel ... Not a horror novel. The antagonist, Flagg, is the same wizard in the dark tower series and the stand, though those don't have dragons and such in them.

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[–] Moonguide@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Hm, not keen on heavy politics or war. Was gonna recommend Malazan: Book of the Fallen but the first book starts out in a war. Still, good book, you might enjoy it.

Second book is a little different than what you're describing. Fool Moon from the Dresden Files series. Pulpy magical detective noire set in modern times, where magic is sort of accepted as a real thing.

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[–] Shareni@programming.dev 4 points 1 year ago

Malazan book of the fallen is the best epic fantasy series I've ever read

[–] Pulptastic@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago

The Diamond Age kinda counts?

[–] Sharklaser@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Magician,and searching this I see they're making a TV series, 🤯

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magician_(Feist_novel)

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[–] jordanlund@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The Myth Books by Robert Aspirin.

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[–] lostbard@midwest.social 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Lots of good suggestions already. I might recommend Uprooted by Naomi Novik, The Story of Silence by Alex Myers, or The Haunting of Tram Car 015 by P. Djeli Clark.

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[–] Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

Currently rereading the Belgariad and will likely go straight into the Mallorean. Probably my favourite "traditional" fantasy series.

But my all time favourite fantasy series is The Death Gate Cycle by Weiss and Hickman. But is very much not your traditional fantasy setup. It's got wizards, dragons, elves, etc... but in very very non-traditional worlds. Can't recommend it enough.

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[–] bismuthbob@sopuli.xyz 4 points 1 year ago

Michael Moorcock's Elric books tick all of the boxes in your list. So do his Corum and Hawkmoon books.

[–] tired_lemming@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Patricia C Wrede. The Enchanted Forest Chronicles. The titles for the series are below:

  • Dealing with Dragons
  • Searching for Dragons
  • Calling on Dragons
  • Talking to Dragons

Fantasy stories with each book centered around one protagonist and a meta take of your usual fairy tales. And includes wizards, dragons, princesses too.

[–] GlitterInfection@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Legends and Lattes might be some easy lovable reading if you're looking for low stakes character-driven fantasy. It's very low on action, but there is some.

A former adventuring hero orc swordsman decides to retire to open a coffee shop, collecting a cast of local misfits to help make her dreams a success. It's light but basically D&D meets Stardew Valley if that makes sense.

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[–] Girru00@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Robert Jordan, Terry Goodkind, david eddings are all good too, and unfortunately all have passed away so dont expect more books!

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[–] ystael@beehaw.org 4 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

A few I've enjoyed that aren't mentioned elsewhere so far:

  • Robin McKinley, The hero and the crown. If you've never read this, please, just go and do so, if you read nothing else on this entire response. The Newbery Medal it got was well deserved. (And it has princesses and dragons and wizards.)

  • Louise Cooper, Indigo (8 short books). Sealed ancient evil, cursed protagonist on heroic journey, talking animal companion. Just lots of fun all around.

  • Lois McMaster Bujold, The curse of Chalion series. Maybe a little more politics than you are looking for, but the divinity/magic system works well and I appreciate that the viewpoint characters are generally kind of old and busted. She is of course better known for the (excellent) Miles Vorkosigan military space opera series.

  • Sarah Monette and Elizabeth Bear, A companion to wolves et seq. Exactly what it says on the tin; the catch is that the viewpoint character of the first book becomes bonded to a female wolf, which radically changes how his culture sees him.

  • Elizabeth Moon, The deed of Paksenarrion. Basically what you'd get if you wrote down a really good D&D campaign (but mostly for only one viewpoint character). Formulaic in spots but enjoyable and well executed.

Other replies have mentioned Steven Brust's Vlad Taltos books, which I enjoyed a lot; and David (and Leigh) Eddings, which were my first big-kid fantasy novels (as for many other other American children of the 70s and 80s). Another long series in something of the same vein as Eddings is Raymond E. Feist's Riftwar saga; I haven't read the entries after 2000, but before that it was a lot of fun.

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[–] Candelestine@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just out of curiosity, why haven't you read Tolkein?

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I've started with LOTR and I found the style a bit too dense and with too many songs scattered here and there which... aren't my thing.

I one hundred percent acknowledge the writing is good, the story must have been original back then and all but it didn't grip me. Later the movies came up and they scratched the itch for knowing what happened with the story. I know the books are much better fleshed out than the movies but if I didn't finish them before watching the movies I doubt I can be bothered now. Part of what keeps me hooked is not knowing how the story will end.

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