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[-] loopedcandle@lemmynsfw.com 118 points 11 months ago

Oh man.

Quark is absolutely backwards: Quark believes he has no dignity and is a heartless profiteer. He turns out he is an empathetic lovable guy with dignity.

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 42 points 11 months ago

The Grilka episodes show this best. The House of Quark is an honorable one.

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 31 points 11 months ago

Qplah! Glory to the house of Quark! The only one to teach Gowron how to use Microsoft Excel

[-] VindictiveJudge@startrek.website 21 points 11 months ago

I love Gowron's 'is this really happening?' face throughout the episode.

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[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Quark: I should've listened to my cousin Gaila. He said to me, "Quark, I've got one word for you...weapons." No one ever went broke selling weapons. But did I take his advice? No. And why not? Because I'm a people person. I like interacting with my customers. Like you and I are doing right now. Talking to each other, getting to know one another...

Garak: I can see the attraction...for you.

Quark: But when you're dealing in weapons, buyers aren't interested in casual conversation. They just want their merchandise, no questions asked. It's so impersonal.

Garak: Your charms would be wasted.

Quark: Exactly. So now Gaila owns his own moon, and I'm staring into the abyss. And the worst part is, my only hope for salvation is the Federation.

At least his fortunes seemed to have changed by Lower Decks' time, judging by all the Quark signs everywhere.

[-] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 9 points 11 months ago

Hard for them not to when you’re the former Grand Nagus, step son of the former long time Grand Nagus, and brother of the new Grand Nagus.

I’m sure Moogy helped him out to once Rom passed a few reforms.

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[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I haven’t counted, but I have a suspicion that of the main cast, personally Quark kills more Jem’Hader on screen than any other character, except for maybe Worf.

Seriously. Watch with that in mind. I think Quark might be a low key badass.

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 99 points 11 months ago

I'd contend that the O'Brien one needs to be changed slightly.

O'Brien foolishly believes there is something which cannot be taken from him. It is taken away from him while forcing him to endure incomprehensible levels of psychological and emotional torment.

There's a post I saw ages ago which said a lot of O'Brien episodes can also be summarized as "Watch the Irishman suffer" and that has never really left my brain. Just living there rent free.

[-] The_Picard_Maneuver@startrek.website 30 points 11 months ago

I always love the Watch the Irishman Suffer episodes.

I would also personally modify the Quark one, because sometimes they show his (repressed) compassionate side.

[-] Jesus_666@feddit.de 15 points 11 months ago

And sometimes he takes the dignity of everyone else down along with his own.

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[-] z00s@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

It is surprising how much PTSD he has for someone who's just supposed to fix the ship

[-] JWBananas@startrek.website 22 points 11 months ago

That's why he's so good at fixing things. He can't fix himself, so he puts all his effort into fixing everything around him instead.

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 16 points 11 months ago

Basically this but with fixing things.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Both of them have PTSD because of Cardassians. Shaxs and O'Brien should do group therapy.

[-] Stamets@startrek.website 9 points 11 months ago

That would actually make for an incredible Lower Decks scene that fits perfectly in universe and in show.

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[-] Actaeon@artemis.camp 84 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Garak is a simple tailor. He resolves an impossible situation in the least tailorly way possible yet somehow maintains plausible deniability.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

I remember one episode when he is not on drugs, and starts telling truths to everybody. That one explains him.

[-] PooPooButterPancakes@lemmynsfw.com 34 points 11 months ago

Well no actually. In that episode he tells Bashir at least three different contradictory stories. Though right before Garrak thinks he's about to die he tells Bashir that he was really ashamed because he fucked over his best friend and we're lead to believe this is the actual final truth. Then you later find out the friend's name he gave Bashir was actually just Garrak's own first name and that every story Garrak told was a likely a complete fabrication. In the end we know nothing more definitive about him or why he's at the station.

[-] marcos@lemmy.world 15 points 11 months ago

We know a lot more about him. Just not about his past.

[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 15 points 11 months ago

Everything he said was true, especially the lies.

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[-] flatplutosociety@lemmy.world 13 points 11 months ago

the least tailorly way possible

I don't know, I think he usually finds a way to thread the needle.

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[-] dalekcaan@lemm.ee 46 points 11 months ago

Alternative episode: Sisko believes that he can solve something in the normal, intended way and not a horrible, fucked up way. He solves it with baseball.

[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 46 points 11 months ago

Jake naively and brashly tries to explore some aspect of himself for personal growth...

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 18 points 11 months ago

The one thing that I always remember about Jake Sisko was an episode where he was trying to hide something from his dad, and at the end of the episode, dear old dad catches him trying to teach a young Ferengi how to read.

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 9 points 11 months ago

Everyone in-universe feels about Jake the way that everyone out of universe feels about Wesley.

[-] Blackout@kbin.social 45 points 11 months ago

Kai Winn shows up and ruins the episode

[-] GreenMario@lemm.ee 22 points 11 months ago
[-] zagaberoo@beehaw.org 21 points 11 months ago

You mean enhances the episode with her peerless villainy.

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[-] ummthatguy@lemmy.world 20 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Edit: I love that for a brief moment this had a higher count, but the masses being what they are, was soon surpassed. Louise Fletcher was a master at getting people's ire.

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[-] HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club 19 points 11 months ago

My child, don't stray from the path that the Prophets have laid out for you.

[-] deegeese@sopuli.xyz 45 points 11 months ago

Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.

—Rule of Acquisition 109

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 24 points 11 months ago

- Quark believes that he has made some profit. He loses it.

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Rom: “Well brother, I suppose the real profit was the friends we made along the way.”

Quark: “What?! No. I’m docking your pay for that.”

[-] EmergMemeHologram@startrek.website 10 points 11 months ago

Rom: “hey brother, remember the time I led a strike against you, put you in a position to lose everything, got you beaten nearly to death by Nausicans, then when you finally met my demands violating Ferenghi law and risking your business license I told everyone to take the deal and I quit?”

[-] setsneedtofeed@lemmy.world 10 points 11 months ago

“Yes, but I’m not going to do anything to you about it.”

“Because you forgive me, brother?”

“No, because I’m pretty sure that light fixture over there is actually Odo.”

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[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago

I haven't yet been able to watch DS9 from beginning to end .... I've seen episodes here and there but never saw the entirety.

So my question is

What about these Garrick episodes I keep hearing about?

[-] OpenStars@kbin.social 39 points 11 months ago

From someone who did the same: there is no way to understand what DS9 is about without watching it end to end, it's just designed differently than TNG or TOS or Voyager, which were made for people to catch individual episodes and feel like they watched something. DS9 has intricate plot points that expand over an entire season, and then on into the next. I thought I knew what the show was about, but I was so very very, wonderfully wrong! Instead of it being my least favorite, I see now that it's the deepest of them all, though they all have their individual contributions, especially for the historical time they were released in.

So my advice is to wait until you have a few hours, then watch all of season 1. You'll be glad you did, and can decide when to find time to continue with season 2.

Learning about Garak will be infinitely more satisfying that way:-). He is one of the most "interesting" characters on the show, but really when you think about it, they all are.

[-] Zink@programming.dev 10 points 11 months ago

OK FINE I will watch DS9 again, convinced me.

Friggin Risa strikes again.

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[-] VindictiveJudge@startrek.website 10 points 11 months ago

He is one of the most “interesting” characters on the show, but really when you think about it, they all are.

To borrow a quote from B5, "No one here is exactly what he appears."

[-] MajorHavoc@lemmy.world 12 points 11 months ago

Except Garek, obviously. He's merely a simple tailor.

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[-] zcd@lemmy.ml 31 points 11 months ago

Garak? Why, he’s just a simple tailor

[-] bionicjoey@lemmy.ca 22 points 11 months ago

There are no Garak episodes. Why would anyone want to watch an episode about a mere tailor

[-] Rhaedas@kbin.social 28 points 11 months ago

Garak: "Do you know what the sad part is, Odo? I'm a very good tailor."

[-] ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 13 points 11 months ago

I always loved that ... in an age of replicator technology, instant manufacturing and duplication, automated systems and digital recreations ... no one ever finds it unusual that there is an individual of the species that was a former military opponent posing as an old school clothing merchant on a space station.

It would be like having a simple humble scientist from 1940s Germany working as a common rocket engineer in the American space program in the 1960s .... weird right?

[-] dejected_warp_core@startrek.website 21 points 11 months ago

To quote Lower Decks:

Mariner: I think it was the chef in the biolab with the sniper rifle that can shoot through walls.

Freeman: You always pick the chef.

Mariner: Yeah, because we have replicators. Why is there a chef? That's just shady.

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[-] cybervseas@lemmy.world 11 points 11 months ago

Yup I have to save this post. I agree with folks about Quark, however I'll add the wrinkle that the things that make Quark grow emotionally only serve too shred his dignity among the Ferengi.

[-] echodot@feddit.uk 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Also occasionally we remember the Marquis exist and have an episode about them. Sisko comes up with basically the same solution as always, but at least it's not the Dominion.

[-] xkforce@lemmy.world 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Quark only had that shred of dignity because he planned to sell it to the highest bidder like any good ferengi would.

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