Far right white supremacist killings of Jews is far more prevalent in the US than Muslim killings of Jews. My first suspects would be among the extreme right.
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The whole far right media ecosystem is fucked. There was also the young Palestinian boy stabbed to death by a white right-wing nutjob for being Muslim recently because of the media's portrayal of this conflict.
Ordinarily I'd agree with you, but Occam's razor doesn't. Metro Detroit is home to the largest Arabic community in the country. I believe Jewish/Arab relations are pretty sound there, but given the current circumstances...
Far right arab supremacists also exist. Impossible to rule them out especially given the timing and circumstances.
place your bets place your bets will it be a nazi, a klansman, a jihadist, death by cop (never discount the possibility) or just some other random murderer? AAAAAMERRRRRICA THE LAND OF FREEDOM AND LIBERTY
Forgetting the biggest cause of murders for women in the US: it was someone they knew, probably a lover.
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Maybe but the extreme right are mostly cowards that like to use firearms. A stabbing is off brand for right wing MAGAts.
Nope. Remember the 71yo landlord who stabbed his Muslim tenants recently? Mother and her 6yo boy?
They like guns, but it seems most of them accidentally shoot each other/themselves.
But yes, cowards that like guns is true.
Interesting, but that does seems right.
Talking out of my ass here, but I've heard that stabbing is a more personal crime. You need to get closer so it's more likely to be someone that feels deeply threatened or personally hurt.
That might be why we see these antisemitic attacks being stabbings, because the extremists feel deeply terrified and hurt.
I'm not justifying the crime - it's evil and they need to be locked up. But we need to understand where this extremism is coming from if we want to stop it.
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Out of morbid curiosity… are the ~~skinheads~~ white supremacists rooting for the Israelis or Hamas? Usually they don’t like brown people, but they also don’t like Jewish people.
I realize this isn't your point but I feel the need to point out that skinheads are not nazis - it is unfortunately a very well working project of cultural appropriation by the racists.
In the scene racist skinheads are mostly referred to as boneheads, a term which I think makes much more sense.
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They're rooting for the Israelis because they want the ethnostate project to succeed.
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In general, they have different things they perceive and admire about the two. Please know, I'll be using some of their words. In Hamas, they see people battling "Degeneracy" and "Jewish Influence." There is an admiration for Israel, as an theocratic apartheid ethnostate. Seriously, at protests, Ive seen them carry Israeli flags before. Mostly, though its a party. "The subhumans" are fighting, one will be destroyed and one will look bad in the eyes of the international community.
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Local Jew in Detroit here. Woll was my friends' cousin. Another friend was in elementary school with her at Hillel.
People are shook up and scared. People aren't sure if this is the crest of a wave of antisemitic violence, or something more senseless.
My 3 kids are half Jewish through my ex wife. I hear you and I had a chat with them this morning about this. Although I'm in Toronto, Canada the same bigots are here and have been empowered by the same vitriolic rhetoric floating around.
I told them that hate is hate and if they hear it directed specifically at them or a Muslim in their school (friends with Iranians) for them to report to the teachers and to me. Hate will not be tolerated.
Please stay safe.
My daughter is also half-Jewish (I'm Jewish, my wife is not). I'm always worried about her getting bullied in school for it. I tell her to never tell anyone.
One of her elementary school teachers just assumed she was Jewish because I look stereotypically Jewish and treated her differently because of it.
I hear you and as a parent it's so sad knowing a child is being told to hide their identity.
Hugs from afar. There are many of us non-Jews out there that don't condone this bullshit.
Stay safe.
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May her memory be a blessing.
Those who spread lies and disinformation are responsible for this death. The Jew hate needs to stop. This woman was American, not Israeli.
Would that be better? If some Israeli Jew living in the US had been stabbed?
Why does the better alternative in your world have someone being stabbed?
A better option to me is nobody gets hurt that isn't involved in the conflict.
I think they're pointing out that it sounds like by saying "she was American, not Israeli" that you think it would have somehow been less awful if she was Israeli.
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At this time, the motive for the crime remains unknown.
Unknown? Clearly this prominent Jewish community leader in Detroit was viciously stabbed to death for her playstation, there was no other reason possible.
- Attempted robbery
- Hate crime
- Targeted attack by someone with a personal vendetta unrelated to Woll's religion
- Random attack by a nutter
Among any number of other potential motives. There's a definite hierarchy of probability but random blind assertions in public are not how you build an actual fucking criminal case.
You missed the most obvious one: most women are murdered by men they know, and largely by current or former intimate partners. Especially since
[Police] found a trail of blood leading to her house, where they believe the crime occurred.
Thank you. Also worth noting is that this is Detroit, so, while death is always tragic, it's not unheard of in the city.
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You can't make any assumptions in these situations. If police are known for anything, it's being level-headed and unbiased.
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How do you make a 911 call to someone’s home?
The article has been revised to clarify for you
Authorities said a 911 caller early Saturday reported a person lying on the ground unresponsive at Woll’s home.
Know what street you're on, see the house numbers on the mailbox, dial 911, say "hey yes it seems someone is injured outside [ADDRESS], I noticed while walking/driving by."
Seems easy enough to me.
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