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[–] Goodie@lemmy.world 75 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Gonna be a fun next century or so

[–] Chariotwheel@kbin.social 74 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Not if all the capitalists get their shit together and see that short term profits aren't worth the mid term extinction of humanity.

Which should happen any moment.

Aaaaaaaany moment.

[–] Goodie@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

Oh, people have long since realized that they have to do something about it.

The problem is they've realized that it's far cheaper to prepare for their own survival than fix the fuck ups of the world.

[–] fearout@kbin.social 62 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Ok, so it doesn’t mention wet bulb temperature anywhere, so I went to figure it out. The first thing I was surprised with is apparently most of online calculators don’t take in values higher than 50C.

I couldn’t find the exact data about humidity for that day, but it has been 35-40%+ at a minimum for most days in that region, sometimes even reaching 90%.

So, 52C at around 40% humidity is 37.5C in wet bulb temp. The point of survivability is around 35, and most humans should be able to withstand 37.5 for several hours, but it’s much worse for sick or elderly. 39 is often a death sentence even for healthy humans after just two hours — your body can no longer lose heat and you bake from the inside. That’s like having an unstoppable runaway fever. And with that humidity it’s reached at 54C.

We’re dangerously close to that.

[–] IndiBrony@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Just out of interest, what would be the wet bulb temperature at 90% humidity? I'm not familiar with that temperature scale.

[–] fearout@kbin.social 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Wet bulb temperature is basically converting to 100% humidity equivalent, so as you get closer to 100%, WBT approaches measured temperature. We use this metric because our bodies cool mostly via evaporation, and no evaporation is possible at 100% — the air is already fully saturated. So in general, WBT means minimum possible temperature that can be reached by evaporative cooling. Once your body loses the ability to cool, it rushes to match surrounding wet bulb temperature (or even exceed it, since we produce about 100W of heat energy by simply existing).

So 52C at 90% is about 50C WBT. Survivable for mere minutes for some, and probably for about an hour or so for most humans. Definitely not survivable for a full day.

[–] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 32 points 1 year ago

To put this into perspective, a humid 60°C are conditions where hyperthermia (getting too hot) can take effect within 10 minutes of exposure.

We're 8°C from that point. We are within arms reach of creating conditions so hostile to human life that survivability for most people will be unimaginably low.

[–] Col3814444@kbin.social 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Hottest day ever.

Until next year.

[–] Spiracle@kbin.social 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

With how cyclical heat seems to be, probably the hottest year until ~4 years from now.

Just long enough for sceptics to dismiss it again, because any day without high heat means climate change is fake.

[–] the_itsb@midwest.social 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

According to this informative video about the "super El Niño" we're heading into, next year is going to be worse. Less easily dismissed, not that it'll help. If we get any kind of extreme weather this winter before next year's even hotter summer, that'll be fodder for them, too. As we all know, anytime it snows, that proves climate change is a myth. 🙄

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[–] GustavoM@lemmy.world 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just imagine how summer temps will be in 10 years from today.

Hoooooo boy... it's gonna be HOT eh

[–] DoctorTYVM@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Incidentally, China is the single largest contributor of GHGs in the world. Their coal fired power generation is immense and incredibly damaging.

[–] JohnEdwa@kbin.social 40 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Because China is a country with the third largest land mass with the second largest population in the world. But per capita, they produce half of what an American does.

[–] SeaJ@lemm.ee 25 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Both need to significantly reduce their emissions. We do not need deflection for either.

[–] ZombieTheZombieCat@lemm.ee 7 points 1 year ago

Thank you, I'm so sick of hearing it. It's just another cop out from climate change deniers.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 year ago (2 children)

2 things about this; the planet don't care about per capita numbers - 52.2 is gonna drop that population real quick. I doubt that would even slow their ruling class down

Second fuck is America a bad comparision. Those 2 will race to a scorched earth quicker than a nuclear war ever could

[–] cyd@lemmy.world 19 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Per capita numbers are very, very important: they tell us where the low hanging fruit are. The people emitting the most per capita should be pressured most heavily to reduce emissions, because they're the ones who are polluting most unnecessarily.

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[–] JohnEdwa@kbin.social 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Exactly, the world doesn't care. The average co2 footprint per person globally is around 5 tonnes and as we've noticed, that is way too much for our planet to handle, one estimate is that we would need to drop that to below 2.5 tonnes.
China at 7.5 per person is a lot closer to than Canada at 18, Australia at 17, US at around 15 or Russia at 12. EU on average is close at around 8 I believe.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

No way canada's that bad? Thats a perfect example then cause were mostly hydroelectric, just empty as ass (an example I used to the other person is imagine the per capita numbers of an artic exploration group, probably horrible but we could never visit the artic again and still be boiling in superpowers pollution)

[–] JohnEdwa@kbin.social 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

"Per capita" means per person, it has nothing to do with being mostly unpopulated. And it sure is that bad.
The exact figures differ slightly depending on who you ask, my source was Worldometer.

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[–] someguy3@lemmy.ca 19 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

You have to measure per capita. A population 4 times the size of the US, you can't compare straight numbers.

Their one child policy is probably the best thing that ever happened to reduce greenhouse gas emissions too.

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[–] profdc9@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

By the end of the century, there's going to be a lot of places abandoned to heat and sea level rise.

[–] Mothra@mander.xyz 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] Col3814444@kbin.social 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

People and native animals start dying en-masse around the 50Deg mark, it’s horrific this is becoming normal.

[–] iamsgod@lemmy.world 13 points 1 year ago

and here I thought 33 C is already hot enough

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Maybe a stupid question, but is this measured in the sun or shade?

[–] fearout@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Temperature reports like this always use in-the-shade measurements. You can get much higher temps when measuring in direct sunlight, like easily 100C+, depending on the material of your measuring device.

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Thanks. So the 60 degrees in Spain were also in-shade. That is truly messed up.

If politicians didn’t reassure us frequently there is nothing going on I’d really start to think we are in real trouble.

[–] DFTBA_FTW@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

60deg in Spain was ground surface temp not air temp, air temp was like 40deg.

[–] Sethayy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I love that last paragraph lmao, imma steal that

[–] NotSpez@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Nice. You have my blessing!

[–] Charliebeans@slrpnk.net 3 points 1 year ago

We should start calling climate news hot news!

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