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submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net to c/chapotraphouse@hexbear.net

If you are ever asked this question, or any variation of it, by someone who supports Israel, do not dignify it with an answer.

It is nothing but an attempt to distract from the obvious fact that for the best part of a century the Palestinian people have been living under the boot of an oppressive apartheid regime that is guilty of crimes that far exceed anything Hamas could ever even dream of committing.

Do not give the zionist fucks an inch.

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[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 91 points 11 months ago
[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 45 points 11 months ago

"Believing in anything but the nebulous status quo with a sense of superiority is for losers." smuglord

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 29 points 11 months ago

Scary how pervasive thinking like this actually is.

[-] jimmyjazx@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

"Descibe the ideology of South Park in 1 sentence"

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"My family had to flee from Eastern Europe 20 years ago, so believe me when I say that I know how bad Communism is"

[-] axont@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

lol one time I had a college classmate give a speech about his family escaping communism. He seemed Latino so by his age I thought maybe he meant his family was from Nicaragua, but it turns out he was Brazilian and immigrated to the US in 2004

[-] Beaver@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago

They just barely escaped the lulags lula-bars

[-] krolden@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago

Please tell us you dunked him publicly

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[-] happybadger@hexbear.net 76 points 11 months ago

I denounce Hamas for not having a patreon account.

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 34 points 11 months ago

I was watching Hasan’s stream yesterday. He was talking about how people have accused him of funneling money to Hamas through his donation drive (even though the charities involved are all well known normal ones). Everyone in the chat was all “if the money went to Hamas I’d give more!!”

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[-] FuckyWucky@hexbear.net 63 points 11 months ago

No, I denounce Israel for creating Hamas

[-] DanComrd@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

This is the take I'm going to use, just to watch them process and then seeth and froth at the mouth frothingfash

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[-] supafuzz@hexbear.net 60 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I don't denounce a god-damn thing

Israel says that the Palestinians are "human animals;" that's exactly backwards. Animals are what they want. Docile cattle who will allow themselves to be penned up, half-starved, whipped, branded, and culled by ol' Farmer Zion.

Standing up, breaking the fence, and fighting back is exactly what proves the Palestinians are still human, despite Israel's best efforts to the contrary.

[-] Quaxamilliom@hexbear.net 50 points 11 months ago

I denounce them for waiting so long to mount a proper resistance and not taking more hostages.

[-] micnd90@hexbear.net 46 points 11 months ago

Yes, I denounce Hamas for not fighting hard enough. Death to America, there was no WMD in Iraq, Great Satan cope and seethe

[-] bestagoner@hexbear.net 46 points 11 months ago

A little bit to my surprise, ol' Norman Finkelstein, in his media appearances since this latest development in the occupation, has refused to condemn Hamas. In his interview with Chris Hedges yesterday, he explained this decision with reference to slave revolts in the US, John Brown, and the Haitian revolution. I think it's a sound comparison.

[-] Poogona@hexbear.net 37 points 11 months ago

Yes yes I bring up the slave revolts whenever I get asked this. Feels like a perfect comparison to me. Most libs will admit that they think slaves freeing themselves was justification for violence, and they did kill innocent people in more than one uprising.

The most common response I hear is that "this is different, Hamas is getting funding from the real bad guys who just want to attack Jews." During many of the slave revolts, there are records of voices claiming "this isn't an honest rebellion, they are the unwitting stooges of the French/Spanish who just want to attack Brits!"

[-] Tachanka@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

During many of the slave revolts, there are records of voices claiming "this isn't an honest rebellion, they are the unwitting stooges of the French/Spanish who just want to attack Brits!"

in the American War of Independence, the British offered freedom to slaves who fought against colonists. Many joined up with the "Ethiopian" regiment of the redcoats for that reason. So the lesson here is even if they are working for a foreign power... So fucking what?!?! Don't enslave them and maybe that wouldn't be their only option! Where else are they gonna get guns and training?

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 24 points 11 months ago

Yup that was the point I got to "I'm going to enjoy watching this dying ember of an empire fizzle out"

Britain deserves everything that's happening to it.

America deserves all the same things to happen to it but we didn't vote in a referendum for literally "we should be able to do whatever we want and also everybody else should also have to do whatever we want" without at least having a military budget that's 20x what it should be.

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[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 40 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

“No and I don’t denounce the IRA either”

It’s all pretty much the same argument about the IRA, religious ideological differences with Hamas aside. Yes of course I support the IRA. Innocent people losing their lives is a tragedy, absolutely. And 100% of the blame falls on the UK colonizers, not the IRA though.

[-] oscardejarjayes@hexbear.net 40 points 11 months ago

I denounce Hamas for not being similar enough to the PFLP and I denounce the PFLP for not being as strong as Hamas.

[-] FourteenEyes@hexbear.net 38 points 11 months ago

I denounce HAMAS for always picking Mr. Game and Watch, he's a bullshit cheap-ass character whose side-B is broken

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago

skill issue

[-] GrouchyGrouse@hexbear.net 38 points 11 months ago

Give Gaza some modern combat jets and we can talk.

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[-] ComradeCmdrPiggy@hexbear.net 38 points 11 months ago

No. Even if Hamas is a bit ideologically seedy, right now they're Palestine's best shot at freedom. I say let 'em cook.

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[-] Venus@hexbear.net 37 points 11 months ago

Why wouldn't I just say, "No, they're cool and good."

[-] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

That is also an acceptable option

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 33 points 11 months ago

I always just ask if they denounce Isreal

[-] WayeeCool@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The denounce tactic is similar to red baiting where you accuse a center left politician of being a communist in order to cause them to attack communists and anyone left of liberalism. It's best to only respond by just calling it a stupid question and immediately moving on rather than taking the bait.

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[-] Tankiedesantski@hexbear.net 31 points 11 months ago

I denounce Hamas for not making it all the way to the River.

[-] VapeNoir@hexbear.net 30 points 11 months ago

I'm just gonna keep a card with that Mark Twain quote in my wallet.

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[-] TheModerateTankie@hexbear.net 28 points 11 months ago

"Israels government helped them rise to power, so apparently it's what they wanted."

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[-] AernaLingus@hexbear.net 27 points 11 months ago

Master class in subverting the "will you condemn Hamas?" question:

https://youtube.com/watch?v=Q65lBllbv1g

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[-] Krem@hexbear.net 26 points 11 months ago

in the pretty shitty Andrew Whatsisname video where he goes to a palestine rally in america somewhere, he lets organizers and other people talk and they're all good but then of course he has to bothsides it by letting some israeli rapper dudebro speak as well.

said dudebro turns to the organizer and asks "do you denounce hamas tho" and she's like "not the right question to ask right now" and he's not having it. then he goes on to ask the camera "what if your cute sister was at a music festival..." debord-tired

so an otherwise OK segment where people get to voice actual shit gets overshadowed by dudebro essentially drowning them out with fart noises. and half the comments predictably are "oh she didn't engage with him in the marketplace of ideas, the left can't comprehend this nuanced and complex issue"

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 36 points 11 months ago

What if my sister decided to gloat about a genocide by partying next to the world's largest concentration camp? I would probably cut contact with her.

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[-] Adkml@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

"Not nearly as much as I denounce the actions of Isreal and the United States."

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 25 points 11 months ago

I denounce their failure to eliminate Genocide Joe

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[-] TankieTanuki@hexbear.net 23 points 11 months ago
[-] Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago

No, and I never will say otherwise

[-] D61@hexbear.net 22 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

"What did mushed garbanzo beans ever do to you?"

[-] SexUnderSocialism@hexbear.net 21 points 11 months ago

Denounce deez nuts

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