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[-] Rentlar@lemmy.ca 163 points 11 months ago

Israelis and people of Jewish faith are fine and nice people. Netanyahu's government is a monster with genocidal ideas. Some people go along with these terrible ideas.

Palestinians and people of Muslim faith are fine and nice people. Hamas leadership are monsters with genocidal ideas. Some people go along with these terrible ideas.

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[-] A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl 99 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Anti Zionism ≠ Anti Semitism.

Some people wants every body human rights to be respected, and dennounce crimes against humanity that Israel and Hamas commits, one being an alleged country and the other a terrorist organization.

The right for self determination of Palestinians (and to live) is not being respected by Israel, so, with confidence I will say Free Palestine!

[-] ComradeKhoumrag@infosec.pub 14 points 11 months ago

What's funny is that Palestinians are literally Semitic

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[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Zionism became a thing when antisemitism was really bad.

Israel became a thing when antisemitism went over itself and even casual antisemites looked in horror at what Nazis had done.

The Palestinian problem today is nested within centuries of the problem of antisemitism, coiling around and biting itself in the tail.

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[-] Norgur@kbin.social 83 points 11 months ago

Israel is a state
Judaism is a religion

If one disagrees or opposes one, they don't oppose the other. I know that Israel has managed to spin the narrative that Israel and Judaism are the same and everyone opposing the state is basically the same kind of hateful asshole Adolf was, but that's just not true. We here in Germany have struggled a long time with that for obvious reasons. You couldn't call out Israel for doing wrong shit without being called a Nazi. In that past that is. What you've seen isn't "Antisemitism". It's opposition to some of the bullshit Israel is pulling that is the very same kind of bullshit Jews have been subjected to in the past. Or tell me: What's the difference between a Ghetto in 1700s Germany and the Gaza Strip? Correct, the 1700s Ghetto had less travel restrictions.

There is a great push in Israel to be proud of the history of unjust oppression and prosecution Jews have suffered for centuries and how awful being a victim of that was. There is this sense that together, as a nation, they finally have the means to safeguard themselves against shit like that. Yet, that very same nation pulls a swift 180 when it comes to palestinians. Pushing them back into Ghettos, depriving them of any form of economical way out, depriving them of means to get their own electricity, their own water. Paying them pittances for their jobs, restricting travel for them whenever possible. Now, as soon as those people act hostile (go figure), the "state of the oppressed" Israel responds with the military. "A little bombardment will keep them in check, right? How dare they hate us?!"

If the message all the Shoa museums, all the graveyards for the people killed in atrocities was really understood, neither the "West Bank" nor the "Gaza Strip" could exist without Israelites acting up against them.

Rant over.

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[-] FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 76 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

This comment thread is an absolute fucking joke. You're all dumb as absolute fuck.

Both sides of this conflict are pieces of shit. There is no side "to blame." This conflict has been going on for about 100 years and both sides have committed human rights violation and heinous acts of violence.

If you actually want to blame someone, blame the fucking British and the Americans for manipulating both the zionists and the Palestinians to help win the world wars, and for promising them both the same land.

You're all wasting your time trying to to blame Israel or Palestine. Don't be so fucking lazy people. Read a god damn history book rather than basing your opinions on social media. Jesus...

[-] deaf_fish@lemm.ee 47 points 11 months ago

Guilty Killing civilians: Hamas, Israeli government.

Guilty of Genocide: Israeli government

People who don't deserve to get killed: Palestine civilians, Israeli civilians.

People who have claims to the land: both Palestine civilians and Israeli civilians (sorry the situation is fucked).

Fascist and helping each other gain power: Hamas, Netanyahu

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[-] Kedly@lemm.ee 51 points 11 months ago

Yeah where the fuck is the antisemitism? Fuckin dogshit takes that think one side is clean where the other isnt? Yeah, plenty of that. But antisemitism itself? I havent seen it

[-] pomodoro_longbreak@sh.itjust.works 12 points 11 months ago

I am seeing some of it tbh. Antisemite shitbirds who think just because a lot of folks are (rightfully) mad at Israel, that they can sneak in their heinous philosophy. Go muddy some other waters with that bullshit, is what I say.

[-] Kedly@lemm.ee 17 points 11 months ago

Agreed, Isreal is doing problematic shit, that says nothing about Jewish people in general. Antisemites can eat shit

[-] frippa@lemmy.ml 44 points 11 months ago

Antisemitism ≠ antizionism, lemmy.ml (speaking from experience) has waaaaay harsher and stricter moderation that something like ee or world, they straight up hard-remove words from comments, an antisemite would be banned on sight.

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[-] atyaz@reddthat.com 32 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Me looking at all the genocide denying ethnostate apologists on lemmy 😥

[-] JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 6 points 11 months ago
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[-] shiroininja@lemmy.world 25 points 11 months ago

Is it real antisemitism or just not supporting Israel?

About when they start going on about “Zionists” Is where I draw the line and where it typically takes a turn.

As a Jewish person, I find it healthy to criticize the Israeli government. Most young Israelis do. Their government has been steamrolled by a wannabe dictator that is corrupt as hell and his team of racist, backwards conservative orthodox buddies.

They were just protesting in the streets weeks ago and now we’re expected to turn around and support the government? Nah. This doesn’t change anything.

[-] Taleya@aussie.zone 5 points 11 months ago

The problem is a lot of people don't differentiate between the israeli government and the israeli people as a whole - i've seen some straight up 'they had it coming' style bullshit that is verrry careful to place Good Jews and Bad Jews (the festival goers) to try and get a pass on antisemitsm and maaaan it is transparent as fuck.

[-] nottheengineer@feddit.de 4 points 11 months ago

But that's how politics work nowadays. You need to assume that every group is homogenous and when someone from that group points out that it isn't, you call them a hypocrite.

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[-] mathemachristian@lemm.ee 23 points 11 months ago

Where? Lemmy.ml usually cracks down on racists pretty hard report them when you see them

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[-] AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml 15 points 11 months ago

Lemmy.world go 30 minutes without making things up about other instances challenge.

Difficulty: impossible.

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[-] fosforus@sopuli.xyz 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I wouldn't call it antisemitic. Just pretty biased.

[-] Vlhacs@reddthat.com 11 points 11 months ago

What is your definition of anti-Semitism?

[-] soggy_kitty@sopuli.xyz 11 points 11 months ago

People who like to put the milk in with the teabag before the hot water

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[-] Oha@lemmy.ohaa.xyz 7 points 11 months ago

I am not antisemitic. I just hate everyone whos involved in a war

[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 6 points 11 months ago

Criticizing. Israel. Is. Not. Anti-semitism.

Is criticizing Saudi Arabia "Islamophobia"?

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[-] Drxmiz@reddthat.com 4 points 11 months ago

Just use the block button, no need to cry about it

[-] Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee 9 points 11 months ago

Nah, it's way more fun getting them to block you.

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