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BBC Verify has confirmed women and young children were killed when a strike hit their vehicles as they headed away from northern Gaza

Analysis of images from the scene show some of those who died were aged between two and five

Israel has warned 1.1m Palestinians living in north Gaza to evacuate south, and thousands have been fleeing by vehicle or on foot

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[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 59 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Will there be proportional outcries for the loss of these civilians by the Israeli apologists?

Of course not.

I'm also sure this will totally not make more terrorists out of the surviving family members...

[–] kbotc@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Video seems to suggest it was a car bomb, so Hamas blowing up their own people.

Again.

https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1713201470445609322

EDIT: Does Israel even have munitions that small? It looks like a gas tank exploding not a high explosive.

[–] lennybird@lemmy.world 16 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Upvoted, thanks for keeping me grounded. That's compelling. As much blame as I give Israel in all this I don't see that being an air strike after watching countless videos from Ukraine. I think Israel does have low-yield bombs, considering their "roof knockers," and this could be secondary (eg, someone hauling gas/propane.)

Nevertheless I agree Hamas has more to gain in framing Israel here.

[–] kbotc@lemmy.world -5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yea, looking at the video again, I think you may be right. It looks too “Hollywood” with the giant fireball. Maybe just a propane tank exploded igniting the contents of the gas tank. Hamas may not have done anything, heard there was an explosion and blamed Israel when the fault could just be poorly maintained equipment.

[–] girlfreddy@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

So all three of you are more knowledgable about missiles and what they look like in video vs the BBC, who has decades of experience in verifying missile strikes?

Sorry ... I'm with the BBC here.

[–] kbotc@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Link to exactly where the BBC calls it an Israeli air strike.

All I’m seeing is “women and children dead in strike” so if you’re seeing it, they walked it back.

At least 12 people, including young children, have been killed after a convoy of vehicles heading toward southern Gaza was hit. The Palestinian Health Ministry has blamed Israel for the attack. The Israel Defense Force (IDF) says it is investigating.

BBC News statement.

[–] tallwookie@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

the Palestinian Health Ministry is a wing of the hamas organization. of course they're going to say that.

[–] snek@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

The video is now gone. So what was it?

[–] snek@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Look at this

Video released by the Palestinian health ministry shows ambulance crews arriving at the scene of the airstrike.

One ambulance crew came under fire as they were tending to a young girl and a woman inside the ambulance.

https://nypost.com/2023/10/14/70-palestinians-in-convoy-fleeing-northern-gaza-killed-by-airstrike-israel-denies-involvement

CLASSIC ISRAEL. Kill civilians. Shoot at ambulances trying to help civilians, then claim that the Palestinians did it to themselves.

So again we have confirmed video evidence that the ambulance responding to this got hit directly... And I still see people here want to shroud it in mystery and skepticism.

I get it. I'm a skeptic. I understand that it is important to confirm from the Israeli side. However, Israel lies in the media nonstop and then simply gets away with it. It's Israel's claims that need to be confirmed, not the Gazan health ministry. Israel simply brushes it aside and says, "pfff no idea could be Hamas booby traps."

No, Israel, fuck you, explain these dead people now. Fucking explain this.

And why was that ambulance hit? Why have we seen so many videos and images of hit ambulances and news of dead medical staff and Israel won't even give the slightest fuck to inconvenience itself and explain its crimes?

[–] Browning@lemmings.world 13 points 1 year ago

This is why they are so keen to target electricity and journalists. It ensures that the news is dominated by one side of the story.

[–] NoneOfUrBusiness@kbin.social 17 points 1 year ago

Well good job proving Hamas right when they said don't evacuate.

[–] Ryan213@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But the News is telling me Israel are the good guys and what they're doing is not a war crime.

[–] electric_nan@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago

When will world leaders, or "serious" media outlets like the NYT or BBC call this "terrorism"?