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[–] Mischala@lemmy.nz 70 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

Do you play PC games?

Yes

Do you care about privacy?

Yes

LOL get fucked

[–] nakal@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You can install Steam on Linux. In fact I have 2 PCs in my house for my sons. They run Windows games flawlessly. See for compatibility in the ProtonDB.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

Yeah I installed Garuda yesterday and games worked great. It’s literally everything else that had me wanting a “Linux for fucking morons” class.

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[–] nightdice@feddit.de 22 points 1 year ago

Linux gaming is pretty good these days. Basically the only major games you can't play are the ones running super intrusive anticheats.

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[–] railsdev@programming.dev 52 points 1 year ago (35 children)

I don’t understand why Apple gets so much shit.

Sorry I want a well-managed UNIX system with a nice GUI while not coding? I don’t want to deal with configuration hell, malware and viruses or all the other trash Windows brings with it.

I’m a programmer and I adore being able to use most UNIX and Linux software. As a regular user (not programming) I don’t need to babysit my OS and I get all the magic with interoperability between all my devices.

As for privacy I get all that on macOS with mobile profiles, VPN’s, ad blocking, etc.

[–] CorrodedCranium@lemmy.fmhy.ml 31 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Isn't the whole Macs don't get viruses thing a myth by this point?

There are a lot more sources for random untrustworthy Windows software than there are for MacOS but that's on the user the same way keeping your OS up to date is.

[–] JPAKx4@lemmy.sdf.org 11 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Nothing is secure anymore, and it makes sense. The reason there are less apple hacks (anything I'm the ecosystem is susceptible) is by keeping things proprietary and their relative obscurity. There have been hacks on Mac's, iPhones, but also Linux, android, and of course windows.

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[–] passepartout@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago (20 children)

Windows is shit, but the days where you have to do configuration if you don't use some obscure notebook in one of the most used linux distros is over. I'd say gnome e.g. is pretty close to macos UI wise. There is also Hackintosh if you can't live without it.

As for why I particularly hate apple:

  • Bizarre pricing for comparably low tier Hardware (although not really comparable since apple makes their own ARM silicone)
  • Bad repairability, including flimsy collabs to produce some overpriced block of metal just to change an jphone battery lol
  • Walled garden / closed ecosystem. Blocking third party apps for users "security". All this green bubble / blue bubble bullshit.
  • productivity and design wise alright machines, but utter trash when it comes to gaming.

There are surely more / other points to make.

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[–] ErevanDB@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It's mainly the terrible anti-consumer decisions of Apple that everyone dunks on, such as lack of repairability, lack of consumer choice, charging a fortune to change a single $1 chip, and being unable to run programs downloaded from anywhere but the app store.

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[–] Hexadecimalkink@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

They don't contribute code back to the community and make billions in profit to the detriment of furthering the human species with their concentration of wealth and minimal innovation (since Jobs died).

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[–] dmmeyournudes@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago

You can't upgrade ram or a hard drive. If you sell me a computer, charge $100 per 4 gigs of base speed ram, even more for storage, than have the audacity to tell me I can't upgrade it myself, you can fuck right off.

[–] Vamanos@lemmy.fmhy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Every time I offer similar views the responses I get are somewhere along the lines of

But you can run Linux on windows! You can install most of the same tools on windows Just run everything in docker anyway

I’ve been coding most of my life. Usually people don’t understand just how sucky the tool chains are on windows when you step into certain dev work.

If I ever have to setup multiple python virtual envs again I’ll fucking just quit. Pipenv. Virtualenv. Poetry. Every fucking one on windows has been riddled with bugs

[–] TAG@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

Several reasons:

  1. Almost all of their products target the high end market (and even then, they are known to make stupid decisions to cut off high end use cases).
  2. OSX tends to be opinionated on certain settings and it is hard (or impossible) to change them.
  3. Many of the built in software only work if you exclusively use Apple products.
  4. Apple simps.
[–] bitsplease@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago (6 children)

On point 4, I hear way more from Apple haters than I do from Apple simps

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[–] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Because they're such a heavily walled garden.

It's great for my parents who know nothing about technology and computers. They just need to go online and check emails and social media.

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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 7 points 1 year ago

I wish macOS was a well managed Unix system.

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[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 39 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Windows isn't afraid of tech, but MacOS is? Give me a break, the Unix style terminal is the reason for using MacOS professionally.

[–] words_number@programming.dev 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Honestly, most windows users I know at least know where their files are stored and stuff like that. Average Mac users don't know if something is synced with the cloud or not and can't unpack a rar archive without calling support because they are deliberately kept dumb by that restrictive, overly oppinionated, lock-in OS and unrepairable, un-upgradable hardware ecosystem. I'm using linux as daily driver on laptop and desktop for almost a decade now and I hate windows with a passion, but mac manages to be even worse. Although windows is also getting worse with every version since win7, so they might be on par soon...

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[–] MooseBoys@lemmy.world 14 points 1 year ago

Yeah this used to be the case up until the early 2000s. Then Microsoft started making Windows much less technical (e.g. instead of showing Error: HRESULT 0x80070002 it just showed Sorry, something went wrong :(). Conversely, Apple started exposing more tooling for MacOS, e.g. tracing, terminal, etc. instead of just showing <bomb picture> if something went wrong.

[–] GlenTheFrog@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Depends on the person. Most of the people I know who use MacOS, use it as a glorified Facebook machine. Outside of perhaps Word, they only use the web browser.

[–] boonhet@lemm.ee 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In my circles it's used exclusively for software engineering. Mostly by people who like Linux but don't wanna deal with any instability brought by customizing your install.

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[–] Voli@lemmy.ml 8 points 1 year ago

Computers are a tool and people use it for the needs that benefit them.

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[–] wolf@lemmy.zip 8 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To quote a designer friend of mine 'Apple is the king of average'. :-P Most people I see using apple don't even understand how shitty the UI is if your workflow is keyboard driven (snap windows w/o 3rd party programs for example.)

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[–] boratul@lemmy.ml 35 points 1 year ago (2 children)

bro why is kali in the "you have no life" section ?? Everyone knows ethical hackers get all the girls

[–] BaumGeist@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Please, please, PLEASE do not use Kali as a daily driver... The maintainers and the organization and every hacking role-model and educator on the internet says to not use it as a daily driver. You want Debian Testing if you're that worried about having debian-like features but getting a rolling release

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[–] manapropos@lemmy.sdf.org 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I went to school in cybersecurity (ended up being a run of the mill web dev) and the people who ran Kali knew the least. I blame Mr Robot

[–] AwkwardTurtle@lemmy.world 31 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] min_fapper@iusearchlinux.fyi 14 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Having a life is overated. Praise be the glory of Arch Linux.

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[–] torafugu@kbin.social 29 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Guess I don't have a life.

Use btw I Arch.

[–] min_fapper@iusearchlinux.fyi 9 points 1 year ago

There's a Lemmy instance where you don't have to say that.

[–] darcy@sh.itjust.works 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

i use linux BECAUSE i fear technology...

maybe more accurately it should be 'understand' technology, but then why would windows be there ?

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[–] MasterCelebrator@feddit.de 25 points 1 year ago (18 children)

I use Windows because i need to use certain Software

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[–] zakobjoa@lemmy.world 17 points 1 year ago

I'm posting from an actual abacus.

[–] chumbaz@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What an odd take.

Every dev I know must be terrified of technology as they all use apple laptops. I don’t love apple but they make a pretty sweet *nix laptop for dev work.

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[–] Froody@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

It's more about gaming compatibility for me.

I know Linux had been making great progress. But not every game runs well on non mainstream OS's.

[–] TAG@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Has Gentoo stopped being the distro of choice for people with too much time on their hands?

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[–] vulnerability@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

why the heck is gentoo isn't in no life section but Kali is????

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[–] heimchen@discuss.tchncs.de 9 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Linux is to main stream -> OpenBSD

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[–] nekat_emanresu@lemmy.ml 7 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I don't know much about it lately, but aren't Fedora and Ubuntu considered bad nowadays? Mint imo was absolutely great every time I used it except for proprietary drivers needing extra reboots(might be different now)

[–] pineapplelover@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago (4 children)

I think Ubuntu has turned to garbage with whatever canonical is doing but I do think Linux Mint is pretty great

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[–] Andrew15_5@mander.xyz 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

AFAIK, Fedora is considered stable and is a great choice.

[–] passepartout@feddit.de 8 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Fedora just works, it made me stop Distro hopping. I don't want to use something else, but when the day comes on that Red Hat starts making questionable choices, I'll go back to Debian.

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